"There's not a lot of optimism in history, it seems to me", ?

Started by mongers, August 24, 2012, 05:16:20 PM

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Viking

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Really, how bad are people at tracking big rocks floating in space?

Space is a big place.

Space is really really really fucking huge and rocks capable of destroying the world are really really really small and fucking invisible.
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Syt

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Really, how bad are people at tracking big rocks floating in space?

Space is a big place.

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space, listen...
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
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Josquius

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 24, 2012, 06:21:53 PM
I disagree with him.  The one consistent trend throughout history has been progress and improvement.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 11:40:21 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Really, how bad are people at tracking big rocks floating in space?

Space is a big place.

Space is really really really fucking huge and rocks capable of destroying the world are really really really small and fucking invisible.

Well I brought this up here once, but Neil was confidant that we would be able to spot meteoroid well before it came close to the Earth.
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garbon

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 24, 2012, 06:21:53 PM
I disagree with him.  The one consistent trend throughout history has been progress and improvement.

We had that posed as a essay question at the end of my freshmen year (in the year long course I took that was a mix of Literature/Philosophy/History) and I said that I didn't think it was a history of progress. (As you had to pick one side or the other). I think I'd now I'd say progress but still wouldn't be particularly cheerful about the amount of progress that we've made.
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Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:08:23 AM
We had that posed as a essay question at the end of my freshmen year (in the year long course I took that was a mix of Literature/Philosophy/History) and I said that I didn't think it was a history of progress. (As you had to pick one side or the other). I think I'd now I'd say progress but still wouldn't be particularly cheerful about the amount of progress that we've made.
You could argue it either way, but I agree that progress is not impressive in many areas, especially in educating people to be more self-aware and empathetic.
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