China and the US in the Future?

[Valmy]

This is not the nation that won World War II anymore. 

It is nation that stayed out of WWII until one of the Axis countries finally did something we couldn't ignore.  China will have to do something similar.

[CountDeMoney]

It is nation that stayed out of WWII until one of the Axis countries finally did something we couldn't ignore.  China will have to do something similar.

Funny, I thought this nation's policy was never to allow another Pearl Harbor.

Well, guess what?  We're on our way.  And next time, it won't be battleships, so I suggest you stock up on the MREs and bottled water.  You're going to be without power for several months, courtesy of the PLA.

[garbon]

I seize to be.

[garbon]

It is nation that stayed out of WWII until one of the Axis countries finally did something we couldn't ignore.  China will have to do something similar.

Funny, I thought this nation's policy was never to allow another Pearl Harbor.

Well, guess what?  We're on our way.  And next time, it won't be battleships, so I suggest you stock up on the MREs and bottled water.  You're going to be without power for several months, courtesy of the PLA.

Are we talking about the same nation that simultaneously thought it was a good idea to put our citizens in internment camps and treat women like 2nd class citizens and black people worse than dogs?

[CountDeMoney]

It is nation that stayed out of WWII until one of the Axis countries finally did something we couldn't ignore.  China will have to do something similar.

Funny, I thought this nation's policy was never to allow another Pearl Harbor.

Well, guess what?  We're on our way.  And next time, it won't be battleships, so I suggest you stock up on the MREs and bottled water.  You're going to be without power for several months, courtesy of the PLA.

Are we talking about the same nation that simultaneously thought it was a good idea to put our citizens in internment camps and treat women like 2nd class citizens and black people worse than dogs?

No. So there.

[garbon]

It is nation that stayed out of WWII until one of the Axis countries finally did something we couldn't ignore.  China will have to do something similar.

Funny, I thought this nation's policy was never to allow another Pearl Harbor.

Well, guess what?  We're on our way.  And next time, it won't be battleships, so I suggest you stock up on the MREs and bottled water.  You're going to be without power for several months, courtesy of the PLA.

Are we talking about the same nation that simultaneously thought it was a good idea to put our citizens in internment camps and treat women like 2nd class citizens and black people worse than dogs?

No. So there.

Haha. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

[Neil]

Are we talking about the same nation that simultaneously thought it was a good idea to put our citizens in internment camps and treat women like 2nd class citizens and black people worse than dogs?

You just had to take your rhetoric too far on the last one, didn't you?

[garbon]

Are we talking about the same nation that simultaneously thought it was a good idea to put our citizens in internment camps and treat women like 2nd class citizens and black people worse than dogs?

You just had to take your rhetoric too far on the last one, didn't you?

Well I wasn't sure it seemed appropriate to lump the situation for women and African-Americans in the 50s as the same.

[Razgovory]

I don't think the CCP is going to be a permanent fixture in the world.  Eventually it will die or morph into something else.   The Chinese don't want a direct conflict with the US.  Sure they like annoying us, but I don't think they will go far enough to really do something to make us mad.   The Chinese aren't going to invade Taiwan.  At least not by sea.  Perhaps they will learn to walk walk there.

They do need to cut out their silly claims on other people's coasts, though.

In the end, I see them as trade rivals, but nor enemies.

[Josquius]

China at the moment is on the crux of a critical point in its development. No longer is it the place to go for cheap mass labour. I've seen a bunch of different numbers, some claiming already its cheaper to build stuff in the west than China, others saying 4 years for the US, 5 years for Europe and 6 years for Japan (or maybe that was +1 onto all of those). What seems certain though is that China's rise is already slowing and unless it really shakes things up in the next few years its due to do a Japan.

So the future of China-US relations?
China doesn't have the money to try and compete militarily. Its all about business.

[The Minsky Moment]

Stuxnet them then.

Stuxnet won't save the Taiwanese people.

too late to save the Taiwanese people; they already got the shaft from Chiang Kai-Shek.

[crazy canuck]

I'm voting Great Game. China is on shitty terms with pretty nearly all of its neighbours and is growing rapidly in power. It's all about the money now, but only because China still lags far behind the US in military might. This may change as relative power changes, which will increase tensions.

China doesnt need to play the Great Game.  Ownership of territory is no longer important.  Access to resources is the key to power and the Chinese are going the corporate route to achieve it.  I suppose it is a variant of "Its all about the money" and "The Great Game".

[KRonn]

China is very actively helping African countries with cash and infrastructure, and gaining access to lots of resources in return.

[CountDeMoney]

China is very actively helping African countries with cash and infrastructure, and gaining access to lots of resources in return.

And they're figuring out what the Europeans, Americans and Soviets already found out ages ago:  Africa is a money sink.

Hell, even the Africans are getting annoyed with the Chinese.  That experiment won't last.

[KRonn]

Heh, interesting points CDM.