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Started by Syt, August 01, 2012, 12:01:36 AM

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Razgovory

Well, I don't know how many of them can read.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Sheilbh

Quote from: Agelastus on December 30, 2014, 12:31:10 PMFor the large "no answer", wouldn't that be normally taken in other polls as neutral? Surprisingly high, yes, but if taken as neutral it simply means that Russia isn't very high in the concerns of the general populace. Which is unsurprising, really - they've got plenty of lunatics closer to home to worry about.
I think surprisingly indifferent. India should be far more pro-Russian given their history.

QuoteI'm a bit surprised by the German viewpoint.  This summer we kept getting articles on why Germans felt they had to be understanding of the naked aggression by the Russian state.
I think the downing the of the plane changed a lot of people's opinions, or hardened them at least. I imagine that's especially true for the Dutch and the Germans.
Let's bomb Russia!

alfred russel

Quote from: DGuller on December 30, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2014, 11:35:16 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2014, 11:33:44 AM
The fuck, Vietnam?  Is this still First Blood: Part II?

Countries that see China as the primary threat are naturally going to have a higher opinion of Russia.
Why would they have a high opinion of a country that's a de facto ally of China?

The USSR backed them up in the Vietnam war and sort of/theoretically had their back against China.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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-garbon, February 23, 2014

DGuller

Quote from: alfred russel on December 30, 2014, 07:34:29 PM
The USSR backed them up in the Vietnam war and sort of/theoretically had their back against China.
I see that, but I was responding to Yi's point about today's concerns about China.  If you're an Asian country worried about China, Russia is about the last country you would have a positive opinion of, other than China itself.

Queequeg

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 30, 2014, 01:04:36 PM
A lot of Russian sailors spent a shitload of shore leave in Cam Ranh back in the day.  Largest Soviet Navy port facility of the cold war outside of the WP during the 1980s.  I bet there was more than one little Ivan Nguyen running around down there.
There was a Vietnamese population in the USSR for a time.  Students, some economic migrants. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

Quote from: Martinus on December 30, 2014, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on December 30, 2014, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 30, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 30, 2014, 10:29:18 AM
Greece is interesting.

Yes, the only traitors within the EU. They should be kicked out - and I don't think anyone would miss them.
You know they're the reason Europe is Europe right?

Not really. They have even less in common with ancient Greeks than Italians have with Romans. It's a nation of genetically inferior Turks who cling to the inferior form of Christianity.
Oh, silly me, I'd temporarily forgotten you were something other than a hilariously pretentious troll. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Ed Anger

QuoteThe United States plans by the end of next year to station around 150 tanks and armored vehicles in Europe for use by U.S. forces training there, according to a U.S. military commander.

Its not 3 Division POMCUS sets, but its something. I guess. Also: Wacky.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive


Tonitrus

On the other side of things...Ukraine becoming Old Afghanistan?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-rise-of-warlords-threatens-ukraines-recovery/2014/12/30/a23b2d36-8f7b-11e4-a412-4b735edc7175_story.html

QuoteWarlords and armed groups threaten Ukraine's rebuilding

By Adrian Karatnycky December 30
Adrian Karatnycky is a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, where he co-directs the "Ukraine in Europe" initiative.
Kiev is abuzz with creative reforms in governance, major anti-corruption initiatives and budgetary clawbacks against rent-seeking oligarchs. Civic activism is on the upsurge, and a new government team — populated with many foreign-born and Western-educated ministers — is largely free from the control of the country's super-rich, who dictated policy in the past.

In recent months, Ukraine's defenses have strengthened since the Russian takeover of Crimea and the eastern industrial Donbas region. Ukraine's security service, formerly riddled with corruption and Russian infiltration, has rebuilt its leadership. Combat readiness has improved and weapons production is on the rise, as are the refurbishment and modernization of tanks, artillery and armored personnel carriers. With winter in full swing, the danger of a major Russian offensive has faded.

In many ways, Ukraine is intelligently addressing its key challenges: restructuring the national budget to avoid default and meeting the military threat posed by Russia. Despite such important progress, however, a new threat is emerging: independently operating warlords and armed groups.



After the collapse of the Yanukovych regime in February and subsequent Russian aggression, Ukraine's new government was saddled with an ill-prepared military and required the help of thousands of volunteers. These volunteer fighters were motivated by a patriotic desire to protect their homeland. Many were veterans of the Maidan civic protests. The fighters were mainly supported by grass-roots financing from civic initiatives and small and mid-size businesses.

A minority of the fighters were ideologically motivated members of far-right movements. These included the ultra-conservative Right Sector and the notorious Azov brigade, whose members had been shunned during the Maidan protests because of their white-supremacist, anti-democratic views. Other volunteer brigades, such as the Dnepr-1, were recruited by business oligarchs, who financed them and commanded their loyalty.


During the spring and summer, many of these volunteer forces exhibited remarkable courage and helped stem the Russian-backed offensive. In the months that followed, most were integrated into the interior or defense ministries as special-status units.

But now several of these units, especially those linked to oligarchs or the far right, are revealing a dark side. In recent months, they have threatened and kidnapped government officials, boasted that they will take power if Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko fails to defeat Russia, and they served as armed muscle in illegal attempts to take over businesses or seize local governments.

In August, members of the Dnepr-1 battalion kidnapped the head of Ukraine's state land fund to prevent him replacing an official deemed inimical to business interests. On Dec. 15, these volunteer units interdicted a humanitarian convoy destined for the Russia-controlled Donbas, where a major emergency is emerging.

On Dec. 23, the Azov brigade announced that it was taking control of order in the eastern port city of Mariupol, without official approval from local or national officials.

Government prosecutors have opened 38 criminal cases against members of the Aidar battalion alone.

A pattern of blatant disregard for the chain of command, lawlessness and racketeering is posing a growing threat to Ukraine's stability at a critical juncture. Concern about volunteer groupings is widely shared in the Poroshenko administration, which reportedly raised the question of dealing with these dangers at a meeting in November of his National Security and Defense Council.



Most alarming, however, is the role of Ukraine's interior minister, Arsen Avakov. Instead of reining in these fighters, conducting background checks on their records and reassigning those who pass muster, he instead has offered them new heavy weapons, including tanks and armored personnel carriers, and given them enhanced brigade status. Amazingly, in September he even named a leader of the neo-Nazi Azov brigade to head the police in the Kiev region.


Equally worrying is the activity of Ihor Kolomoyskyy, the governor of Dnipropetrovsk oblast. Kolomoyskyy, who played a crucial and widely respected role in stabilizing his East Ukrainian region, is now flouting central authority by interdicting aid convoys headed to the Donbas and permitting brigades he finances to engage in activities that contravene the law.

What can be done? Poroshenko clearly wants this problem resolved but has been reluctant or unable to act. For him to succeed will likely require coordination with Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who has also been slow to address the threat, possibly because Avakov is one of his key political allies.

Western donors, however, must make countering incipient warlordism a top priority and press Ukraine's leaders to reassign qualified members of the volunteer brigades into regular militia and military units.

Ukraine's elected leaders can no longer sweep this emerging threat under the rug for fear of stoking resistance or stirring up negative international headlines. Ukraine faces many challenges, but it is heading in the right direction. Nipping the problem of warlordism in the bud can only add to the country's strength and resilience.

KRonn

It could be getting very messy in Ukraine then, if the warlords are getting so much power. I wonder if it gets weird enough that Putin will take it as a strong reason to go in again and take more of the country? Though Russia's economy is hurting badly, its currency has severely dropped, so I don't know if Putin will have the ability for too much more adventuring for a while.

Tonitrus

At least the guys running the separatist regions also seem to be warlord/thugs.  Unfortunately, they have an expert thug on their side.

KRonn

Yeah, but some are also part of the Ukrainian nation and carving out their own power bases. Good news would seem to be how the Ukrainian government is making some good strides to rebuild the military, reorganize themselves and make other improvements.

Capetan Mihali

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Quote from: Razgovory on December 30, 2014, 01:02:18 PM
I'm a bit surprised by the German viewpoint.  This summer we kept getting articles on why Germans felt they had to be understanding of the naked aggression by the Russian state.

Germany's reliably the most negative on any issue/religion/country (including Germany) in these kind of polls. :lol:  But that France, Italy, and Spain all meet or exceed our Americans in their dislike is a little surprising to me.

I don't think it's really fair to be "disappointed" in the Filipinos for not being more negative towards Russia; of course they have strong US ties, but the Phillipines isn't really being called upon by the international community to take decisive action on the Donbass crisis.  Existing so far away in space and relevance for daily life in a very poor Pacific country, how "real" can Russia seem to the average Filipino?  Same thing essentially for the Pakistanis having pretty much no opinion on Russia.

EDIT:  South Korea's pretty favorable towards Russia, too, which is more interesting IMO.
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Admiral Yi

South Korea does a lot of business with Russia.  Russians show up, buy truck loads of cheap shit and take it back up north.  There are stores in Itaewon (which used to be the GI entertainment district next to 8th Army HQ) with Russian language signs.  I've been told there are Russian broads working in Korea as bar hostesses/prostitutes.

celedhring

Same in Spain, hell a lot of upscale-ish stores in Barcelona carry price tags in rubles, and we still seem to hate their guts.