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How to fight nepotism?

Started by Martinus, July 27, 2012, 10:48:18 AM

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sbr

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
He's all yours sbr.

Hell no.  I hit eject with my agree to disagree post.


Martinus

dps, I'm not convinced. While these companies get this aid as a part of a broader program, they still benefit from public funds (whether by getting them or by paying less taxes). So if, in the case of public entities, one would be misusing public funds by hiring relatives, one would be doing the same when benefiting from a public program (to use your example about tax breaks for hiring vets - if everyone was only hiring vets from one's family, but refusing to hire more qualified vets who are strangers, one would be perverting the public interest of this program).

I guess the broader point is this: can any business in this day and age really say it is entirely private and does not benefit from public funds one way or another.

I guess Raz convinced me.  :wacko:

Admiral Yi

That's actually a pretty bad example.  The purpose of that program is to get vets hired.  They don't care if they're highly qualified or not.

garbon

Besides that - doesn't there need to be some proof that hiring the relative/friend was an example of picking a less qualified candidate?
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A lot of people in my company are related to one another. Most (but not all of them) are qualified to do the jobs they're hired for so no one complains much. There is one dumbass - he looks like a football player + caveman who is a payment specialist in our accounting department. He doesn't capitalize or punctuate his sentences at all and that makes me really sad. :(
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Razgovory

Dps and Yi, I'm curious, are your opinions of public nepotism and private nepotism informed by the fact you have a "stake" in government run organizations but don't have much of one in the majority of private concerns?  Would you be less amendable to private nepotism if it was was a company you were heavily invested in or perhaps employed at where the CEO was hiring his inbred witless cousins to management positions?
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Admiral Yi

I took from dps' comments that he was referring to a privately owned company.  Of course if we're talking about a publicly traded company nepotism can be a betrayal of fiduciary duty--to shareholders, not the public at large.

Ed Anger

I've hired family. Done it in the past, will do it in the future. Don't really see how it can be stopped, unless we are DG's magic gumball world of neutral hiring practices.

Tend to be more leery of hiring friends.

And in gub'mit, local gub'mit is full of of the nephews and nieces. Local gub'mit is usually shit anyways. Fuck it.
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dps

Quote from: Martinus on July 29, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
dps, I'm not convinced. While these companies get this aid as a part of a broader program, they still benefit from public funds (whether by getting them or by paying less taxes). So if, in the case of public entities, one would be misusing public funds by hiring relatives, one would be doing the same when benefiting from a public program (to use your example about tax breaks for hiring vets - if everyone was only hiring vets from one's family, but refusing to hire more qualified vets who are strangers, one would be perverting the public interest of this program).

I guess the broader point is this: can any business in this day and age really say it is entirely private and does not benefit from public funds one way or another.

I guess Raz convinced me.  :wacko:

As long as the funds supplied by the public treasury are being used for the purpose they are intended for, I don't see any reason that society at large should be concerned about what funds from other sources are being used for.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 29, 2012, 03:26:42 PM
I took from dps' comments that he was referring to a privately owned company.  Of course if we're talking about a publicly traded company nepotism can be a betrayal of fiduciary duty--to shareholders, not the public at large.

And if you were an employee of a privately owned company that where management was all from the same inbred family blocking further advancement and possibly putting your job at risk, would that cause you to bear ill will towards their nepotism?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on July 29, 2012, 08:07:18 PM
And if you were an employee of a privately owned company that where management was all from the same inbred family blocking further advancement and possibly putting your job at risk, would that cause you to bear ill will towards their nepotism?

Probably.  But if it were you instead of me I wouldn't have a dog in the fight.