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May 9th Prediction: Obama or Romney?

Started by Jacob, May 09, 2012, 01:04:02 PM

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Who do you predict will win the 2012 US Presidential Election?

Obama will get re-elected
55 (83.3%)
Romney will be president
11 (16.7%)

Total Members Voted: 66

Neil

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Oh, bullshit.  Every company, once it figures out it can reduce its workforce and still see productivity, doesn't expand unless absolutely necessary.  Get rid of 15,000 jobs, and still see results? PROFIT!
Why don't more clever CEOs reduce their workforce to zero?
You must have missed the bolded part of the post.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 01, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 01, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
% chance this fucking election will drive me insane(as of 6-1-12): 60%
It is perpetual "day before the election" doom that we face.
With all the GOP voter registration games a lot of battleground states are playing, I think the "day after the election" doom will be even more painful.
Surely the Democrats aren't that dependent on Daley-esque voting the graveyard, are they?

No, they're doing just fine eliminating real, live voters.

QuoteMaureen Russo was born in Akron, Ohio. For the last 40 years she's operated a dog boarding and grooming business — Bobbi's World Kennels — with her husband in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Maureen is 60 years old and has been a registered voter in the state for the last four decades. She regularly votes at the church around the corner from her home.

Two weeks ago she received a letter from the State of Florida informing her that they had received information that she was not born in this country and, therefore, was ineligible to vote.

She was given an option to request "an administrative hearing to present evidence" disputing the determination of the State of Florida that she was ineligible to vote. Unless Maureen returned a form requesting such a hearing within 30 days, she was told, it would result in "the removal of your name from the voter registration rolls."

She immediately sent off a registered letter to the State with a copy of her passport. She hasn't heard anything back.

It's unclear precisely how Maureen was identified by the state as an ineligible voter.

Maureen's story raises serious questions about the integrity of the massive voter purge being conducted under the direction of Gov. Rick Scott. Last year, Scott instructed his former Secretary of State, Kurt Browning, to compile a list of people who were registered in Florida but ineligible to vote. Browning resigned in February after struggling to find reliable data, stating "We were not confident enough about the information for this secretary to hang his hat on it."

Congressman Ted Deutch (D-FL), who represents Ms. Russo, has called on the Governor Scott to "immediately suspend" the voting purge because of widespread inaccuracies and a lack of transparency.

Unfortunately, Maureen's situation is not an isolated incident. Earlier this week, ThinkProgress reported Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel, a Republican, posted a picture on Twitter of a voter on the list falsely identified as ineligible, with his passport. Congressman Deutch also told ThinkProgress he's heard from several other constituents who have been removed from the rolls without justification.

It is unclear what legitimate purpose Gov. Scott has to move forward with the voting purge in the face of multiple documented errors. Florida has no history of mass voter fraud. It does have a history, however, of mass voter disenfranchisement. By one estimate, 7000 Florida voters were wrongfully removed from the voter rolls for the 2000 presidential election — 13 times George W. Bush's margin of victory in that state after the Supreme Court halted the post-election recount.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Oh, bullshit.  Every company, once it figures out it can reduce its workforce and still see productivity, doesn't expand unless absolutely necessary.  Get rid of 15,000 jobs, and still see results? PROFIT!
Why don't more clever CEOs reduce their workforce to zero?
You must have missed the bolded part of the post.

And you've confused productivity with increased shareholder value.

Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Oh, bullshit.  Every company, once it figures out it can reduce its workforce and still see productivity, doesn't expand unless absolutely necessary.  Get rid of 15,000 jobs, and still see results? PROFIT!
Why don't more clever CEOs reduce their workforce to zero?
You must have missed the bolded part of the post.
And you've confused productivity with increased shareholder value.
They're your words.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Oh, bullshit.  Every company, once it figures out it can reduce its workforce and still see productivity, doesn't expand unless absolutely necessary.  Get rid of 15,000 jobs, and still see results? PROFIT!
Why don't more clever CEOs reduce their workforce to zero?
You must have missed the bolded part of the post.
And you've confused productivity with increased shareholder value.
They're your words.

Here's some more of my words: eat me.

Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:22:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 01, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 01, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
% chance this fucking election will drive me insane(as of 6-1-12): 60%
It is perpetual "day before the election" doom that we face.
With all the GOP voter registration games a lot of battleground states are playing, I think the "day after the election" doom will be even more painful.
Surely the Democrats aren't that dependent on Daley-esque voting the graveyard, are they?
No, they're doing just fine eliminating real, live voters.
They can have their administrative hearing.  That's how bureaucracy works.  There's always going to be some problems with inaccuracy, but that doesn't mean it's not a noble goal to try and prevent non-citizens from voting Democrat.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:30:31 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:27:43 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Oh, bullshit.  Every company, once it figures out it can reduce its workforce and still see productivity, doesn't expand unless absolutely necessary.  Get rid of 15,000 jobs, and still see results? PROFIT!
Why don't more clever CEOs reduce their workforce to zero?
You must have missed the bolded part of the post.
And you've confused productivity with increased shareholder value.
They're your words.
Here's some more of my words: eat me.
You seem to have become confused and disoriented.  Maybe you should put yourself down for a nap.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:31:23 PM
They can have their administrative hearing.  That's how bureaucracy works.  There's always going to be some problems with inaccuracy, but that doesn't mean it's not a noble goal to try and prevent non-citizens from voting Democrat.

You're a foreigner, so I can understand your inability to grasp such a fundamentally American concept as the right to vote.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:32:11 PM
You seem to have become confused and disoriented.  Maybe you should put yourself down for a nap.

My narcolepsy has absolutely nothing to do with

Barrister

Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:22:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:17:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on June 01, 2012, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 01, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
% chance this fucking election will drive me insane(as of 6-1-12): 60%
It is perpetual "day before the election" doom that we face.
With all the GOP voter registration games a lot of battleground states are playing, I think the "day after the election" doom will be even more painful.
Surely the Democrats aren't that dependent on Daley-esque voting the graveyard, are they?

No, they're doing just fine eliminating real, live voters.

QuoteMaureen Russo was born in Akron, Ohio. For the last 40 years she's operated a dog boarding and grooming business — Bobbi's World Kennels — with her husband in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. Maureen is 60 years old and has been a registered voter in the state for the last four decades. She regularly votes at the church around the corner from her home.

Two weeks ago she received a letter from the State of Florida informing her that they had received information that she was not born in this country and, therefore, was ineligible to vote.

She was given an option to request "an administrative hearing to present evidence" disputing the determination of the State of Florida that she was ineligible to vote. Unless Maureen returned a form requesting such a hearing within 30 days, she was told, it would result in "the removal of your name from the voter registration rolls."

She immediately sent off a registered letter to the State with a copy of her passport. She hasn't heard anything back.

It's unclear precisely how Maureen was identified by the state as an ineligible voter.

Maureen's story raises serious questions about the integrity of the massive voter purge being conducted under the direction of Gov. Rick Scott. Last year, Scott instructed his former Secretary of State, Kurt Browning, to compile a list of people who were registered in Florida but ineligible to vote. Browning resigned in February after struggling to find reliable data, stating "We were not confident enough about the information for this secretary to hang his hat on it."

Congressman Ted Deutch (D-FL), who represents Ms. Russo, has called on the Governor Scott to "immediately suspend" the voting purge because of widespread inaccuracies and a lack of transparency.

Unfortunately, Maureen's situation is not an isolated incident. Earlier this week, ThinkProgress reported Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel, a Republican, posted a picture on Twitter of a voter on the list falsely identified as ineligible, with his passport. Congressman Deutch also told ThinkProgress he's heard from several other constituents who have been removed from the rolls without justification.

It is unclear what legitimate purpose Gov. Scott has to move forward with the voting purge in the face of multiple documented errors. Florida has no history of mass voter fraud. It does have a history, however, of mass voter disenfranchisement. By one estimate, 7000 Florida voters were wrongfully removed from the voter rolls for the 2000 presidential election — 13 times George W. Bush's margin of victory in that state after the Supreme Court halted the post-election recount.

You guys have the world's most convoluted voting system.

What's wrong with good old-fashioned enumerators going door to door to create the voting list, then marking a good old fashioned X on a piece of paper?
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
What's wrong with good old-fashioned enumerators going door to door to create the voting list, then marking a good old fashioned X on a piece of paper?

Not as easy eliminating voters that way.

derspiess

Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
What's wrong with good old-fashioned enumerators going door to door to create the voting list

You mean, other than the fact that I'm not likely to be home when they show up to register me?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
Oh, bullshit.  Every company, once it figures out it can reduce its workforce and still see productivity, doesn't expand unless absolutely necessary.  Get rid of 15,000 jobs, and still see results? PROFIT!
Why don't more clever CEOs reduce their workforce to zero?
You must have missed the bolded part of the post.

I did not.  The bolded part and the part that precedes it are the crux of my response.

Barrister

Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
What's wrong with good old-fashioned enumerators going door to door to create the voting list

You mean, other than the fact that I'm not likely to be home when they show up to register me?

They come in the evening, and they leave a card if you're not there.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

derspiess

Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2012, 01:51:19 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
What's wrong with good old-fashioned enumerators going door to door to create the voting list

You mean, other than the fact that I'm not likely to be home when they show up to register me?

They come in the evening, and they leave a card if you're not there.

Oh, great. Then I have to call them back, try to get a hold of someone and set another appointment. 

I'd prefer if we had a system where I can just check a box to register to vote when I get my driver's license.  OH WAIT, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT :D
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall