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[Razgovory]

State socialism does rely on coercion.

States rely on coercion.  Socialist, Capitalist, Feudal, what ever.

[Martinus]

I'm in agreement with Raz. 

[Fireblade]

Never heard of the Coal and Iron Police?  Hell Union Pacific has a police force.  My mom got a ticket from them once.  Judge threw it out because he had never heard of a Union Pacific police before.

LOL WUT

I would laugh my ass off if I got a ticket from the Union Pacific police. They have to be glorified rent-a-cops, right?

EDIT: Railroad police are certified state law enforcement officers with investigative and arresting powers both on and off railroad property if authorized by the state they are operating within. They also have interstate authority pursuant to federal law (Title 49, United States Code, Section 28101. Under Public Law 110-53 SEC. 1526. (RAILROAD SECURITY ENHANCEMENTS)), Railroad police powers' have been expanded to include railroads other than the officer's employing agency. All of the states in Union Pacific's 23 state system authorize full police authority, except for Minnesota and Wyoming, which do not grant authority to railroad police at all.

What the fuck, private corporations have their own police forces that are actually police? What the fuck.

[Maximus]

So start your own railroad with a police force.

[Fireblade]

So start your own railroad with a police force.

Do you think the government will hand me billions of dollars a year in subsidies to prop up the model railroad running from my beer fridge to my couch, complete with a private police force? 

[Razgovory]

I'm in agreement with Raz. 

Thought you might be happy to be on the winning team for once.

[Admiral Yi]

States rely on coercion.  Socialist, Capitalist, Feudal, what ever.

Sure.  And voluntary organizations do not.  Boy Scouts, PTA, credit unions, whatever.

[derspiess]

I suppose 19th century American business was socialist as well.  We never had a capitalist economy.  Business got free stuff from the government (like railways getting land), and often could coerce people with their own police.

That's crony capitalism, not socialism. 

[Razgovory]

States rely on coercion.  Socialist, Capitalist, Feudal, what ever.

Sure.  And voluntary organizations do not.  Boy Scouts, PTA, credit unions, whatever.

So?  Voluntary organizations rely on state coercion to function.  A bank or a Credit Union doesn't do much good if people can just steal from it.

[Razgovory]

I suppose 19th century American business was socialist as well.  We never had a capitalist economy.  Business got free stuff from the government (like railways getting land), and often could coerce people with their own police.

That's crony capitalism, not socialism.

The Capitalism espoused by GOPtards, whatever you want to call it.

[Admiral Yi]

So?  Voluntary organizations rely on state coercion to function.  A bank or a Credit Union doesn't do much good if people can just steal from it.

  OK, if the protection of private property is socialism then we're all socialists. 

[Razgovory]

So?  Voluntary organizations rely on state coercion to function.  A bank or a Credit Union doesn't do much good if people can just steal from it.

  OK, if the protection of private property is socialism then we're all socialists.

My point is that coercion is not a good indicator of socialism since all systems use some form of coercion.  Except for theoretical non existent economies like anarchism or communism.

[Admiral Yi]

My point is that coercion is not a good indicator of socialism since all systems use some form of coercion.  Except for theoretical non existent economies like anarchism or communism.

I don't disagree, and I doubt anyone else will.  Now if we can only get Jake to agree that voluntary organizations don't fit in the commonly accepted definition of socialism because they lack the coercive aspect then we can kick in the kumbaya.

[Razgovory]

My point is that coercion is not a good indicator of socialism since all systems use some form of coercion.  Except for theoretical non existent economies like anarchism or communism.

I don't disagree, and I doubt anyone else will.  Now if we can only get Jake to agree that voluntary organizations don't fit in the commonly accepted definition of socialism because they lack the coercive aspect then we can kick in the kumbaya.

He and I will agree if the voluntary organizations exist in a land with out laws to coerce.

[Admiral Yi]

He and I will agree if the voluntary organizations exist in a land with out laws to coerce.

So we're back to all forms of government of socialist.