Can Turkey Unify the Arabs?

[Valmy]

And not that I necessarily disagree with grumbles, but are there any examples of societies that educate their women (through professional degrees on par with men) other than western Europe/NAm/Australia?

South American countries supposedly have a pretty good reputation for educating women but that might just have been by 3rd world standards.  Professional degrees on par with men is a pretty high standard.

[derspiess]

The secret to creating tolerant societies has never been difficult to figure out:  educate the women.  I think you will find that every society with well-educated* women is a tolerant one with sustainable birth rates; every one without well-educated women is an intolerant society with unsustainable birth rates.  And the transition comes with equal female education.

As someone said, this isn't rocket science.

*i.e. women who get primary education through professional degrees on a par with men.

I think you may have stumbled upon the solution for those Western countries that are experiencing too much of a decline in birth rate.  Keep the girls out of school!

[Razgovory]

And not that I necessarily disagree with grumbles, but are there any examples of societies that educate their women (through professional degrees on par with men) other than western Europe/NAm/Australia?

Former Soviet Union.  Not exactly a place known for it's tolerance.

[derspiess]

And not that I necessarily disagree with grumbles, but are there any examples of societies that educate their women (through professional degrees on par with men) other than western Europe/NAm/Australia?

South American countries supposedly have a pretty good reputation for educating women but that might just have been by 3rd world standards.  Professional degrees on par with men is a pretty high standard.

I think educational opportunities are pretty good for women in most of South America, but one might say that professional opportunities might be somewhat more limited for them than they are for women in the US & Europe.  At the very least, there seems to be a lot less of an obsession with pushing women into non-traditional professions. 

But that may well say more about us than them.  The "OMG we gotta get more women into engineering!" thing always makes me laugh-- couldn't it just be that an engineering career just doesn't appeal to as many women?

Another refreshing thing about South Americans is that they don't pretend to like women's sports.  I tried explaining Title IX to my mother in law & I don't think she even believed me that it exists.

[Ed Anger]

Title IX is an abomination.

[Valmy]

We need to force women to have 85 scholarship football programs.  That will fix their little equality wagon.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I don't know wether a turkey sandwich is tasty enough to unite arabs. Maybe if it's made fro jewish turkey?

[derspiess]

We need to force women to have 85 scholarship football programs.  That will fix their little equality wagon.

Yeah, but then ESPN would feel compelled to waste valuable airtime with women's football, just like they do with women's basketball.

Having said that, I'd probably watch women's football under the right circumstances

[HVC]

Having said that, I'd probably watch women's football under the right circumstances

niece of my mayor (also a counselor's daughter. Brother in politics) is close to being in the lingerie league.

[grumbler]

And not that I necessarily disagree with grumbles, but are there any examples of societies that educate their women (through professional degrees on par with men) other than western Europe/NAm/Australia?

Japan, Israel, Korea, Russia, and some of the Caribbean states like Barbados all spring to mind.

[grumbler]

But does women getting educated make society more tolerant, or is a more tolerant society more likely to allow/provide women to pursue higher education?

That's a good question.  It pretty much started in Revolutionary France, though, and we saw the development of tolerant France and educated-female-France almost simultaneously.  It would be interesting to see a study of how France's laws against female inheritance may have played into this, though.

[garbon]

But that may well say more about us than them.  The "OMG we gotta get more women into engineering!" thing always makes me laugh-- couldn't it just be that an engineering career just doesn't appeal to as many women?

Not surprising that you would laugh at something complex.

[Razgovory]

You know, now that I'm reflecting on it, I don't think turkey can unify the Arabs.  It is tasty, but I don't think any genuine peace can be built on lunch meats.

[Eddie Teach]

niece of my mayor (also a counselor's daughter. Brother in politics) is close to being in the lingerie league.

pics plx

[derspiess]

But that may well say more about us than them.  The "OMG we gotta get more women into engineering!" thing always makes me laugh-- couldn't it just be that an engineering career just doesn't appeal to as many women?

Not surprising that you would laugh at something complex.

Go on.