Why can't I build heavy cruisers? HOI2DD

[Neil]

There is a reason why there was a hiatus in building the 8" cruiser - it was because everyone realized that the few circumstances in which the superior range and punch of the 8" gunl outweighed the superior rate of fire of the 6" gun were few and far between.

It's interesting to note that other than the Americans (who could afford to be conservative and wasteful) and the Germans (who had no idea what they were doing), nobody built any heavy cruisers after the early 1930s.  I suppose you could take into account the rearming of the Mogamis and the redesign of the Tones, but that was part of the whole Japanese 'light battlecruiser' concept, and Japanese surface thinking was somewhat odd.  Even the American wartime heavy cruisers were pretty much AA boats.  The idea of a heavy cruiser as a surface combattant was largely gone by the the late 30s, and war experience bore that out.

They seem to be useful in game though, and that's all I'm concerned with.

Your lack of concern with naval history is troubling.  You disappoint me.

[Viking]

I can see from posts here that somebody is using a different definition of Heavy Cruiser that I do. I thought the main gun defined the category of cruser (6" being the cut off).

[Neil]

I can see from posts here that somebody is using a different definition of Heavy Cruiser that I do. I thought the main gun defined the category of cruser (6" being the cut off).

That's pretty much it.  Generally speaking, 8" guns are a heavy cruiser, while 6" or less is a light cruiser.  There's a few odd ones made in Britain or Japan, heavy cruisers with 7.9" or 7.5" guns.

[Habbaku]

How about the Kaiserriech mod? You can play the Combined Syndicates of America and fight the Second American Civil War. They're kind of like the Reds.

Have you played that mod yet?  It seems to have a million files associated with it.  Do I really need them all?

[jimmy olsen]

How about the Kaiserriech mod? You can play the Combined Syndicates of America and fight the Second American Civil War. They're kind of like the Reds.

Have you played that mod yet?  It seems to have a million files associated with it.  Do I really need them all?

I haven't played it, but I've seen quite a few AARs of it and IIRC it's made by the same folks who made All the Russia's, which I have played. Ask around on the Pdox forum.

[grumbler]

It's interesting to note that other than the Americans (who could afford to be conservative and wasteful) and the Germans (who had no idea what they were doing), nobody built any heavy cruisers after the early 1930s.  I suppose you could take into account the rearming of the Mogamis and the redesign of the Tones, but that was part of the whole Japanese 'light battlecruiser' concept, and Japanese surface thinking was somewhat odd.  Even the American wartime heavy cruisers were pretty much AA boats.  The idea of a heavy cruiser as a surface combattant was largely gone by the the late 30s, and war experience bore that out.

Ovarall, I agree, though I would note that the Mk 16 8" US gun + shell + turret (on Witchita and the Baltimores) was sufficiently superior to the 6" gun on the Clevelands that the decision to build ships with these weapons was not conservative at all.  There is no doubt that the Baltimores would have defeated any other cruiser in the world in a stand-up fight.

[Neil]

I don't understand what Tim's AAR has to do with the important discussion regarding cruisers.

[Neil]

Ovarall, I agree, though I would note that the Mk 16 8" US gun + shell + turret (on Witchita and the Baltimores) was sufficiently superior to the 6" gun on the Clevelands that the decision to build ships with these weapons was not conservative at all.  There is no doubt that the Baltimores would have defeated any other cruiser in the world in a stand-up fight.

I would say that the Baltimores don't have any real contemporaries.  Everybody else ended their design of heavy cruisers in the early 30s (except for the Germans who, as mentioned, were retarded), and so the Baltimores stood alone in speed, armour and firepower, especially with the the US superheavy shells.  American fire control systems make it even more lop-sided.  Of course, the lighter guns still have the advantage of rate of fire (except for the Des Moines-class), but with radar fire-control, that doesn't matter as much.

I think that American wartime construction could handle any non-American warship out there, except maybe in the destroyer class, where some late-war construction could probably handle a Fletcher.

[jimmy olsen]

I don't understand what Tim's AAR has to do with the important discussion regarding cruisers.

I'm just attention whoring for comments.

[Neil]

I don't understand what Tim's AAR has to do with the important discussion regarding cruisers.

I'm just attention whoring for comments.

Then you should have more naval combat in your AAR.

[Razgovory]

Bleh.  I tried playing the game but it kept crashing.

[jimmy olsen]

Bleh.  I tried playing the game but it kept crashing.

Which mod are you using?

[Razgovory]

Bleh.  I tried playing the game but it kept crashing.

Which mod are you using?

None.

[jimmy olsen]

Bleh.  I tried playing the game but it kept crashing.

Which mod are you using?

Is it all patched up? I never had a problem with it?

None.

What about your computer's specs?

[Razgovory]

Bleh.  I tried playing the game but it kept crashing.

Which mod are you using?

Is it all patched up? I never had a problem with it?

None.

What about your computer's specs?

Good enough to play Eu3.