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Started by Josquius, April 04, 2011, 03:39:14 AM

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Razgovory

Most countries have more murders then they do deaths by combat.  This one included.  I bet if you compared the number of deaths by criminal homicide  to those killed in combat over the last three decades you will find that many more were killed in criminal acts. 
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2012, 01:21:11 AM
Most countries have more murders then they do deaths by combat.  This one included.  I bet if you compared the number of deaths by criminal homicide  to those killed in combat over the last three decades you will find that many more were killed in criminal acts.

Probably depends how you classify various killings. Are cops who get killed in shoot-outs with Mexican drug cartels victims of homicide? What about Tutsi killed by soldiers in Rwanda?
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Josquius

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Video games get rated MA all the time for violence, at least in the US.
And for sex they aren't allowed past the censors at all.

QuoteWhy don't you have a problem showing violence to kids?  I agree that your problem is pretty lame, but I don't think you quite realize what your problem actually is.
This is doubtless some pick at wording but....for the life of me I can't see what. Huh?
You've got things backwards. Its society which has no problem with showing violence to kids whilst it hates showing them anything sexual.

Quote from: Siege on April 09, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 08, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
its amusing/pretty lame the way modern society is so aghast at kids getting a hint of anything sexual but we've no problem with violence being shown to them.

"Modern society"?
This is the way it have ALWAYS been.
Violence is done and received in a community enviroment, with your family, kin and friends fighting and dying with you.
While sex is and have been a PRIVATE enterprise, done in the privacy of your home/shag/room/cave/hole in the ground.

Violence is public, sex is private.
This should be a concept easy to understand.

Not at all.
Traditionally people lived in one room houses....and had a shit tonne of kids. Not really any way to do that without the kids being exposed to what would be completely innapropriate to modern eyes.
Mix that with the way keeping animals was common place and kids have traditionally had a lot of exposure to sex.

Violence...a lot of exposure to that too what with slaughtering animals but it has always been regarded as a bad thing generally.  Man on man violence was not for children's eyes. Or anyone's officially what with it generally being illegal.
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jimmy olsen

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There were plenty of public executions and gladiatorial games in the past that children would see.
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Valmy

Quote from: Tyr on April 09, 2012, 02:36:04 AM
Violence...a lot of exposure to that too what with slaughtering animals but it has always been regarded as a bad thing generally.  Man on man violence was not for children's eyes. Or anyone's officially what with it generally being illegal.

In England they used to take kids to public executions to teach them morals.  So it is not your country you are talking about here...what are you thinking of?
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It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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grumbler

Quote from: viper37 on April 08, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
it's the same everywhere but in America.  This is why all the world is filled with moral degenerates fucking everyone and their dog while America is filled with moral degenerates killing everyone and their dog.
Not true.  In America, you get in trouble of you kill someone's dog.
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Quote from: Siege on April 09, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
"Modern society"?
This is the way it have ALWAYS been.
No, not really, not in all culture.  I think our current model of "virtue" derives from the Victorian era, the height of the British Empire.  I doubt ancient cultures everywhere were as prude as we are.
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Quote from: grumbler on April 09, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
Not true.  In America, you get in trouble of you kill someone's dog.
can't you claim self defense in Florida?  Or is it only when the dog is black?
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

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Quote from: grumbler on April 09, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 08, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
it's the same everywhere but in America.  This is why all the world is filled with moral degenerates fucking everyone and their dog while America is filled with moral degenerates killing everyone and their dog.
Not true.  In America, you get in trouble of you kill someone's dog.

Not if you're a cop.
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Siege

Quote from: viper37 on April 09, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
Quote from: Siege on April 09, 2012, 12:56:58 AM
"Modern society"?
This is the way it have ALWAYS been.
No, not really, not in all culture.  I think our current model of "virtue" derives from the Victorian era, the height of the British Empire.  I doubt ancient cultures everywhere were as prude as we are.

I have heard this theory before.
I have yet to see any proof of it.


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Quote from: grumbler on April 09, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
Not true.  In America, you get in trouble of you kill someone's dog.
Hell you get in trouble if you kill your own dog.

Liep

Quote from: grumbler on April 09, 2012, 02:07:13 PM
Quote from: viper37 on April 08, 2012, 11:17:27 PM
it's the same everywhere but in America.  This is why all the world is filled with moral degenerates fucking everyone and their dog while America is filled with moral degenerates killing everyone and their dog.
Not true.  In America, you get in trouble of you kill someone's dog.
In Denmark that's apparently legal if you warn the owner a year in advance.
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So... can we ask a dance of dragons question here?

[spoiler]Is there any historical medieval  counterpart to RAmsay Bolton? Who would tolerate such a crazy monster?[/spoiler]