Vermont House Passes Single Payer Health Plan Bill

[Admiral Yi]

Is Fate for universal health care?

You know bro, there are no real penalties for addressing Fate directly.

I just quoted one of his posts and I'm still alive.

[Eddie Teach]

The penalty is that he attracts grumbler's attention. 

[Grey Fox]

Is Fate for universal health care?

You know bro, there are no real penalties for addressing Fate directly.

I just quoted one of his posts and I'm still alive.

[Ed Anger]

Of course, Canadians have bags of milk. Do we really want to copy a nation that does that?

[Grey Fox]

Yes. The milk bags are awesome!

[Ed Anger]

Yes. The milk bags are awesome!

Weirdo.

[Neil]

Indeed.  The structure of the US insurance system is far more damaging, as is the US legal culture.

Why is it that the left never brings that up whenever they say "the US is the only country in the developed world that does it this way?   

Because the only hope for public health care in the US on a federal level is through the Democratic Party.  You have absolutely no chance of convincing the Democrats to do anything that the trial lawyers don't want them to do.

[garbon]

Yes. The milk bags are awesome!

Weirdo.

Seriously.

[viper37]

It's pretty tough to be a Canadian Family Practice doc. You have a higher salary on average than your American counterpart and you have substantially lower malpractice insurance costs. Single payer = doctor poverty! Oh yeah, and death panels!

I don't think our docs have higher salary on average than their american counterparts.

EDIT: Found data.
US: 121k$ to 165k$
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Family_or_General_Practitioner/Salary

Canada: 98k$ to 160k$
http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Family_or_General_Practitioner/Salary

[viper37]

My take:
Vermont won't see a reduction in health care costs, unless it starts making hard choices.
Malpractice insurance costs won't go down, they are irrelevant in this scenario.

The real effects will be when the State enforce a cap on doctors, nurses and other professionals to maintain the budget afloat.  And then, when they start asking for quotas, to avoid spending too much money.

Having an Health Department to coordinate the efforts of all agents in this sector is a good idea.  Having health care costs covered for the poorer elements of society is a good thing.

I remain unconvinced, as per financial insurance theory that a single payer solution is automatically the best.

If private clinics are allowed, and doctors allowed to practice in both private&public sectors, it could work.  If they do it the Canadian way, they're fucked beyond what they could imagine in their worst case scenario.

[Darth Wagtaros]

Yes. The milk bags are awesome!

Those bags are friggin stupid.

[jimmy olsen]

The penalty is that he attracts grumbler's attention. 

Where is Grumbler by the way? Haven't seen him in a while.

[Darth Wagtaros]

I hear he was tossed into the nursing home.

[jimmy olsen]

I hear he was tossed into the nursing home.

Raz and Grumbler disappeared at the same time!

[Sheilbh]

If private clinics are allowed, and doctors allowed to practice in both private&public sectors, it could work.  If they do it the Canadian way, they're fucked beyond what they could imagine in their worst case scenario.

Aren't doctors allowed in private practice in Canada?