House to vote on health care reform Sunday.

[Hansmeister]

Nice try. Originally only Clyburn had heard anything. Then suddenly, other democrats came crawling out of the woodworks claiming they had heard it too. Then suddenly Franks remembers he was called a faggott.

Strangely, nobody else heard any of this, and none of the video supports any of these claims. None of the reporters heard it. I guess you have to have magicalCongressman's ears to hear racism. I'm sure ever more democrats are going to crawl out of the woodworks claiming they heard other offensive comments (no claims of sexism yet).

[grumbler]

Nice try. Originally only Clyburn had heard anything. Then suddenly, other democrats came crawling out of the woodworks claiming they had heard it too. Then suddenly Franks remembers he was called a faggott.

Strangely, nobody else heard any of this, and none of the video supports any of these claims. None of the reporters heard it. I guess you have to have magicalCongressman's ears to hear racism. I'm sure ever more democrats are going to crawl out of the woodworks claiming they heard other offensive comments (no claims of sexism yet).

Ah, the squirming rat response!  Excellent.  You do that better than honesty anyway (I presume - you can't have had much practice at being honest).

I am not sure why you bother, though.  You have less cred here than even Marti or DGuller.  You certainly aren't about to convince anyone of anything, and your laughably unpersuasive prevarications here don't even give you good practice for your line of work.  Do you really have the lifespan to waste spewing out this crap?

And don't even try to tell us that you really are secretly persuasive because you were in the "How to Win Friends and Influence People" club in college!

[grumbler]

I suspect he'll either ignore you or claim you're stupid.

Nope.  Went with Door #3, "Lie Some More."

[Razgovory]

Nice try. Originally only Clyburn had heard anything. Then suddenly, other democrats came crawling out of the woodworks claiming they had heard it too. Then suddenly Franks remembers he was called a faggott.

Strangely, nobody else heard any of this, and none of the video supports any of these claims. None of the reporters heard it. I guess you have to have magicalCongressman's ears to hear racism. I'm sure ever more democrats are going to crawl out of the woodworks claiming they heard other offensive comments (no claims of sexism yet).

When it was first reported it was two congressmen heard the N word Franks was called a faggot and a CNN producer overheard it.  That was from last night so it's not all of a sudden.  So far you're claim is that these people are liars because they are democrats.  That sucks even for you.

[crazy canuck]

Here is a quote from a protestor in Washington reported in the Globe and Mail.

"My concerns are about the health-care bill, and the direction it takes us is toward communism, quite frankly," he said.

Do people actually believe this or is this just a product of Hans and the people who draft his talking points?

[Tamas]

It is the talking in the extremes thing which is always easier.

Communism? 'course not. "Europaization" as a republican called it on TV? Yes.

That's not an entirely bad thing in this particular subject considering the US supposedly pays much more for healthcare than Europe for much less results in terms of paying for the freeriders but also as it is meant is that it is a step toward the west european style of heavily state invloved social-capitalist thingie. I am saying west europe because at least they do it with at least some resemblance of efficiency unlike the east.

And to be afraid of that is a legit concern imho. Sure they should not yell communism and be a jerk about it, but the european style of having the state/government run its veins accross everything will not work on the long run. If for no other reason then for the fact that the government -the politicans yearning for votes- get to buy votes with budget money. And that is a one way street once you establish something you can't take it back without destroying yourself politically. What was yesterday a leftist dream will tomorrow be a (perceived) necessary and vital fabric of society itself.
How this materializes varies from one culture to the next, be it overgrown civil servant numbers like Greece, or militant trade unions like France, or just general overspending and corruption on all levels of society like Hungary.

[Eddie Teach]

When it was first reported it was two congressmen heard the N word Franks was called a faggot and a CNN producer overheard it.  That was from last night so it's not all of a sudden.  So far you're claim is that these people are liars because they are democrats.  That sucks even for you.

All democrats are people. All people are liars. Therefore, all democrats are liars. 

[Darth Wagtaros]

Seems like its passing is a forgone conclusion.

[Tamas]

Seems like its passing is a forgone conclusion.

Do they have no concern for my financial well-being?

[Hansmeister]

Nice try. Originally only Clyburn had heard anything. Then suddenly, other democrats came crawling out of the woodworks claiming they had heard it too. Then suddenly Franks remembers he was called a faggott.

Strangely, nobody else heard any of this, and none of the video supports any of these claims. None of the reporters heard it. I guess you have to have magicalCongressman's ears to hear racism. I'm sure ever more democrats are going to crawl out of the woodworks claiming they heard other offensive comments (no claims of sexism yet).

Ah, the squirming rat response!  Excellent.  You do that better than honesty anyway (I presume - you can't have had much practice at being honest).

I am not sure why you bother, though.  You have less cred here than even Marti or DGuller.  You certainly aren't about to convince anyone of anything, and your laughably unpersuasive prevarications here don't even give you good practice for your line of work.  Do you really have the lifespan to waste spewing out this crap?

And don't even try to tell us that you really are secretly persuasive because you were in the "How to Win Friends and Influence People" club in college!

Well, here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCs6pSE8_I&feature=player_embedded.

yep, there were no racist remarks, a pure race-baiting invention by the CBC.  No surprise there.  But I'm sure yelling "Kill the Bill" is just code for "Kill the Niggers" or something.  Just pathetic.

[Valmy]

I wonder if this is what will spark your next civil war?

Any day now...

Arkansas?  Oklahoma?  Louisiana?  Oh hell no.

Florida and New Mexico are alright though.

[Tamas]

Ok I skimmed through this summary:
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/12/24/how-the-senate-bill-would-change-healthcare

Errr, what? The "public option" is a government owned insurance company which has to compete with the private ones? State-run insurance exchanges?

Either that webpage is severly trying to twist it to a bad angle, or current state of US healthcare is that of zimbabwe, or this is some seriously fucked up shit.

[ulmont]

current state of US healthcare is that of zimbabwe

High-tech Zimbabwe, but otherwise yes.

[Zanza]

It is the talking in the extremes thing which is always easier.

Communism? 'course not. "Europaization" as a republican called it on TV? Yes.

That's not an entirely bad thing in this particular subject considering the US supposedly pays much more for healthcare than Europe for much less results in terms of paying for the freeriders but also as it is meant is that it is a step toward the west european style of heavily state invloved social-capitalist thingie. I am saying west europe because at least they do it with at least some resemblance of efficiency unlike the east.

And to be afraid of that is a legit concern imho. Sure they should not yell communism and be a jerk about it, but the european style of having the state/government run its veins accross everything will not work on the long run. If for no other reason then for the fact that the government -the politicans yearning for votes- get to buy votes with budget money. And that is a one way street once you establish something you can't take it back without destroying yourself politically. What was yesterday a leftist dream will tomorrow be a (perceived) necessary and vital fabric of society itself.
How this materializes varies from one culture to the next, be it overgrown civil servant numbers like Greece, or militant trade unions like France, or just general overspending and corruption on all levels of society like Hungary.

Or sound public finances and being the top ranking nations in every international ranking there is like Scandinavia?   

[Tamas]

Or sound public finances and being the top ranking nations in every international ranking there is like Scandinavia?   

There is always an exception.
Scandinavia, with low population density, lots of resources, and a culture which suited nicely the "collectivist" nature of socialism is hardly your typical example.