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Started by KRonn, February 24, 2010, 01:03:51 PM

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Berkut

QuoteWow, you really get ass-hurt when you're caught saying stupid things, aren't you?

Ahh, more examples of how DG is here at Languish to enlighten and inform via personal attack and tantrums. Very intellectual of you.
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  For your information, a lot of my car information comes from actual car engineers, people who actually work as car designers or racing engineers. 

My information comes from this guy on Languish who assures me he is a automative expert. I take everything he says as gospel, because he put a car together in college once, and he REALLY likes cars.

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The beauty of the Internet is that not only does it have Google, but it also has forums with people whose credentials are proven.  I've been a member of one such forum for ten years, for example, as part of my interest in knowing how cars work. 

So now your claim to expertise is based on membership of a forum where there are actual experts? Cool. That is even more convincing than you building a car in college!

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That's why I can be confident that what I'm saying is correct, and that I'm not just have "a little knowledge" that is dangerous. 

I bet. joining a forum is certainly the best way to become an expert in nearly any subject.

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That's why I'm also confident that you're full of shit when you say that stomping on the brakes is the standard response to a stuck throttle.

Meh, I am not the one claiming to be an expert though. I am perfectly content knowing that I am not an expert in everything, and that I actually have things I could learn from others.
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DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on March 10, 2010, 12:01:13 PM
Which is, after all, the point of your latest tantrum when people giggled at your self-proclaimed automotive expertise.
No, the reason for my annoyance is that people who contribute nothing see fit to attack people who do, and for doing it.  It's related to my larger frustration, that loudmouths who don't know anything are typically more prominent than people who actually have understanding.

DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on March 10, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
It's just as good as "I was in a car club in college".
For the record, I brought that up to show that I know how cars work.  I would be quite useless in the club that was building a race car from scratch if I didn't.  For some reason I thought mentioning that I was one of the people building a car would be a valid defense of my claim that I do know in considerably detail how cars work.  Silly me.

DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on March 10, 2010, 12:07:29 PM
QuoteWow, you really get ass-hurt when you're caught saying stupid things, aren't you?

Ahh, more examples of how DG is here at Languish to enlighten and inform via personal attack and tantrums. Very intellectual of you.
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  For your information, a lot of my car information comes from actual car engineers, people who actually work as car designers or racing engineers.

My information comes from this guy on Languish who assures me he is a automative expert. I take everything he says as gospel, because he put a car together in college once, and he REALLY likes cars.

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The beauty of the Internet is that not only does it have Google, but it also has forums with people whose credentials are proven.  I've been a member of one such forum for ten years, for example, as part of my interest in knowing how cars work. 

So now your claim to expertise is based on membership of a forum where there are actual experts? Cool. That is even more convincing than you building a car in college!

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That's why I can be confident that what I'm saying is correct, and that I'm not just have "a little knowledge" that is dangerous.

I bet. joining a forum is certainly the best way to become an expert in nearly any subject.

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That's why I'm also confident that you're full of shit when you say that stomping on the brakes is the standard response to a stuck throttle.

Meh, I am not the one claiming to be an expert though. I am perfectly content knowing that I am not an expert in everything, and that I actually have things I could learn from others.
Perfect example of your ability to contribute to the forum.  No actual knowledge to offer, just multiple attempts to discredit people who do have it.  Maybe if you spent some time being intellectually curious yourself, instead of practicing your skills discrediting other people, then you might have something to offer on your own.

Razgovory

Quote from: DGuller on March 10, 2010, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 10, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
It's just as good as "I was in a car club in college".
For the record, I brought that up to show that I know how cars work.  I would be quite useless in the club that was building a race car from scratch if I didn't.  For some reason I thought mentioning that I was one of the people building a car would be a valid defense of my claim that I do know in considerably detail how cars work.  Silly me.

Just to clarify did your race car actually work?  I mean I tried using the race card, but it never worked.  On account of the fact I'm white.  And I that I thought it was the Ace of Spades.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Berkut

Quote from: DGuller on March 10, 2010, 12:17:08 PM
Perfect example of your ability to contribute to the forum.  No actual knowledge to offer, just multiple attempts to discredit people who do have it.  Maybe if you spent some time being intellectually curious yourself, instead of practicing your skills discrediting other people, then you might have something to offer on your own.

Funny, you asked why people thought it was amusing that you were preening about what an automotive expert you are, and yet the discussion ends up about me somehow. *I* am not making any claim to expertise, so no matter what I bring or do not bring, it has no bearing on you and your constantly repeated assertions of your own briliiance and expertise.

I don't bring any special knowledge that I picked up in college clubs - just my considered opinion about a variety of topics that I find interesting, and take the time to become informed on - albeit often imperfectly. I kind of like that though - I can enter into discussions without the weight of my own self-assured "expertise" so I can actually listen to what others have to say, instead of beating everyone else up with my college club gained expertise on all things. You might try it sometime.

If you don't like the answer DG, don't ask the question to begin with.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on March 10, 2010, 12:24:27 PM
Just to clarify did your race car actually work?  I mean I tried using the race card, but it never worked.  On account of the fact I'm white.  And I that I thought it was the Ace of Spades.
It did work well as a car, although it wasn't competetive as a race car.  Our club was severely under-funded.  Ironically enough, it did have a sticky throttle, due to some binding in the pedal assembly.

garbon

I worked for a radio station in college. I'm a radio "expert". :)
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DGuller

Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2010, 12:37:59 PM
I worked for a radio station in college. I'm a radio "expert". :)
Would you find it unreasonable for me to believe that you know more about radio than most lay people?

grumbler

Quote from: DGuller on March 10, 2010, 12:10:04 PM
No, the reason for my annoyance is that people who contribute nothing see fit to attack people who do, and for doing it.  It's related to my larger frustration, that loudmouths who don't know anything are typically more prominent than people who actually have understanding.
Truly ironic, given that the loudmouth here who was making these judgmental pronouncements was you.  People with little or no expertise but big egos really have no business trying to sell the line that the absence of evidence is evidence that CHP officers don't know anything about cars.  The larger frustration here is that people who actually have understandings are being drowned out by people who merely loudly claim expertise because, it turns out, they were in a college club, or read a newsgroup.

Questions are more interesting than judgments, anyway - even if those judgments were based on real, rather than asserted, authority.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Berkut

Quote from: DGuller on March 10, 2010, 12:45:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2010, 12:37:59 PM
I worked for a radio station in college. I'm a radio "expert". :)
Would you find it unreasonable for me to believe that you know more about radio than most lay people?

Nobody finds it unreasonable to believe that you might know more about cars than your average person though.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on March 10, 2010, 12:27:07 PM
If you don't like the answer DG, don't ask the question to begin with.
It's not that I don't like the answer, it's that I find the answer unjustified, and basically motivated by personal feelings.

DGuller

Quote from: Berkut on March 10, 2010, 12:47:01 PM
Nobody finds it unreasonable to believe that you might know more about cars than your average person though.
Ok, let's bid up.  How about more than 75th percentile?

garbon

Quote from: DGuller on March 10, 2010, 12:45:50 PM
Would you find it unreasonable for me to believe that you know more about radio than most lay people?

I know more about many things than the average person. :huh:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: Razgovory on March 10, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
Well, I suppose I could just trust the opinions of people I like and completely disregard opinions that I happen to disagree with.  But really, what expert opinions does anyone on languish have?  You hear things like "I was in the army", "I'm a computer programmer", and "you aren't me.  You don't know what I'm thinking".  None of those give you any real ground to have an opinion on anything.  It's just as good as "I was in a car club in college".


Gully certainly seems to know insurance well. Most of us probably qualify as an expert in something or other---at least those in skilled professions.
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