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Tea Bagger Terrorism Strikes the Heartland

Started by Fate, February 18, 2010, 02:09:32 PM

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Caliga

Quote from: Neil on February 19, 2010, 08:05:27 AM
After scanning it, he seems to be saying that the tax code is too complex.  That could be fixed.  On the other hand, there are enormous forces with huge incentives to block any such simplification:  The IRS, the tax preparation industry, lawyers and pretty much anybody clever enough to take the current system for a ride.
OMG YOU MUST BE CRAZY OR STUPID YOU ARE AGREEING WITH SOMETHING HE SAID!!!!1111111111
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Queequeg

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DontSayBanana

Quote from: Caliga on February 19, 2010, 09:12:58 AM
OMG YOU MUST BE CRAZY OR STUPID YOU ARE AGREEING WITH SOMETHING HE SAID!!!!1111111111

To be fair, what Neil's saying is a little different than blaming his own misfortune (actually due to carelessness) on the complex tax code.

I'm not sure the IRS or the tax preparers would be the actual enemy, in any case.  Most of the complexity is due to bizarre pet tax cuts and the like, so I'd assume the bulk of the struggle would come from Treasury and Congress.
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Caliga

Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 19, 2010, 09:20:46 AM
I'm not sure the IRS or the tax preparers would be the actual enemy, in any case.  Most of the complexity is due to bizarre pet tax cuts and the like, so I'd assume the bulk of the struggle would come from Treasury and Congress.
Well I read this thing yesterday afternoon and now I don't remember all of the details, and don't care to read it again.  He did rail against Congress as I recall--he pretty much railed against "the Man" in general.  But he directed alot of his anger toward the IRS for what I think were specific issues related to his own failings.

There is a narcissistic/paranoid thread throughout his diatribe: I am a failure in life, but it's not due to my own shortcomings but due to the IRS/Congress who are all out to get me.  He probably also thought he was hard working, brilliant, and way better than most other people.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: Caliga on February 19, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 19, 2010, 09:20:46 AM
I'm not sure the IRS or the tax preparers would be the actual enemy, in any case.  Most of the complexity is due to bizarre pet tax cuts and the like, so I'd assume the bulk of the struggle would come from Treasury and Congress.
Well I read this thing yesterday afternoon and now I don't remember all of the details, and don't care to read it again.  He did rail against Congress as I recall--he pretty much railed against "the Man" in general.  But he directed alot of his anger toward the IRS for what I think were specific issues related to his own failings.

There is a narcissistic/paranoid thread throughout his diatribe: I am a failure in life, but it's not due to my own shortcomings but due to the IRS/Congress who are all out to get me.  He probably also thought he was hard working, brilliant, and way better than most other people.

I was also amused by his thinking that it would spark a revolution.
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Caliga

Quote from: Ed Anger on February 19, 2010, 09:29:30 AM
I was also amused by his thinking that it would spark a revolution.
McVeigh thought the same thing... which is amusing, because historically this is never how revolutions have started.  I guess it's how many of them end though. -_-
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Scipio

Quote from: Caliga on February 18, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Fate on February 18, 2010, 02:57:24 PM
The tea bagger terrorist's ISP took down his website and his manifesto, but the smoking gun has preserved it for posterity.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html
Interesting.  If the manifesto gets wide circulation I think a fair number of people are going to relate to it.  I doubt it will have any meaningful impact or anything, but it's the least insane terrorist manifesto I've seen that I can recall.

Also, if his entire website looked like the first page, it's no wonder he had trouble finding work.  It's impossible to tell what the dude could actually do or what he'd done in the past from the nebulous fluff he had up there.
Seriously.  This guy's tax problems were fucking MINOR.  If you have tax issues, the IRS is easy to work with.  This guy was a fucking nutter.
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Caliga

I think it's likely that he was a charlatan and was angry that the government wouldn't let him con them as well.  I'd need to see the rest of his website to get a better idea, but the front page looks very questionable.  From that alone I would avoid working with the guy.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Caliga on February 19, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 19, 2010, 09:20:46 AM


There is a narcissistic/paranoid thread throughout his diatribe: I am a failure in life, but it's not due to my own shortcomings but due to the IRS/Congress who are all out to get me.  He probably also thought he was hard working, brilliant, and way better than most other people.

In other words, the type of person who reads Ayn Rand and says, "Yes, that's why I'm not wealthy and respected."
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Caliga

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grumbler

Quote from: Razgovory on February 19, 2010, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 19, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 19, 2010, 09:20:46 AM


There is a narcissistic/paranoid thread throughout his diatribe: I am a failure in life, but it's not due to my own shortcomings but due to the IRS/Congress who are all out to get me.  He probably also thought he was hard working, brilliant, and way better than most other people.

In other words, the type of person who reads Ayn Rand and says, "Yes, that's why I'm not wealthy and respected."
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Neil on February 19, 2010, 08:05:27 AM
After scanning it, he seems to be saying that the tax code is too complex.

He does talk about that, but his actual gripe is the code section that supposedly prevented him from reporting as an independent contractor.  But reporting as an independent contractor is a much bigger hassle for the taxpayer - the taxpayer has to take on the paperwork burden that would ordinarily be handled by an employer and make quarterly estimated tax payments.  So clearly complexity is not his problem.

Being treated as an independent contractor does not lower one's tax burden and it certainly doesn't make things easier.  What it does do is make it a little easier to cheat on your taxes if one is so inclined (b/c there is employer sending forms to the IRS).

Thus, reading through the lines of this guy's whiny BS, what he is really complaining about is that Congress made it harder for him to cheat on his taxes, and the IRS caught him when he tried to do it anyway.
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Caliga

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 19, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
He does talk about that, but his actual gripe is the code section that supposedly prevented him from reporting as an independent contractor.  But reporting as an independent contractor is a much bigger hassle for the taxpayer - the taxpayer has to take on the paperwork burden that would ordinarily be handled by an employer and make quarterly estimated tax payments.
This is one of the items I was referring to when I said people could relate.  Specifically, I meant me :bleeding:
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Faeelin

Is it really fair to call this guy a teabagger?