For Syt and other map freaks

[Pedrito]

Could be old, but it's always good:

http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/

L.

[Josquius]

Its gotten pretty bleh of late. Too many maps of silly things that are hard to read.
It has some awesome ones way back though

[Syt]

I'm aware of the site and have to agree with Tyr.

[Agelastus]

Hungary sticks out like a sore thumb, a wine region in the middle of the Beer Belt (442.)

Does anyone know of a historic reason why this should be?

[Syt]

I would say that Austria is divided, though; wine is as popular as beer, and the local drops are very drinkable. Vienna is one of the capitals with their own (decent) vinyards, and the "Heurigen" is an Austrian tradition; the second map seems more realistic.

[Syt]

Love this one, btw:

[Josquius]

That booze belt stuff is silly. Its just propaganda by the Poles who want to region protect vodka against Spanish grape vodka and the like.
The second map which tries to show the way things overlap is even worse- yeah, some wine is made in the SW of Britain these days but its really not a part of their culture at all. The west country is cider country.
Cider isn't mentioned at all.
Nor are rum, whisk(e)y, gin, etc....

[Grey Fox]

Fucking Muslims. What does it say?

[Syt]

Fucking Muslims. What does it say?

Like Russia or the UK, Turkey is the successor state to a once dominant world power. And much as in those other countries, nostalgic memories of Empire (the Ottoman one, in Turkey's case) compare unfavourably with today's status as merely a 'normal' country.

All former superpowers must deal with a world that is decidedly less impressed by them than before. The resulting frustration is confined (mainly) to the extremist fringes of politics. But in those margins, chauvinist delusions of grandeur conspire to make up for lost glories. Point in case is Russia's projected 'Third Empire' (see entry #177).

This map is another example of geopolitical grandstanding, but from a Turkish perspective. It shows what a global empire based on pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism would look like – a mega-state combining the Ummah (the lands where Islam dominates) with Turan (the name for all countries and regions inhabited by Turkic people). The Empire thus projected results from the maximum overlap of two distinct ideologies of which Turkey is, in the mind of the map-maker at least, the natural point of convergence. The Turkish-Islamic Empire (I can only infer that translation of the map's title) occupies:

    * Turkey in its present form, of course;
    * The whole of Cyprus;
    * Certain Muslim-majority areas in the Balkans, i.e. Bosnia and Albania
    * As well as Eastern European regions where Turks or related nationalities live: in Bulgaria, the Crimea, southern Moldavia (i.e. Gagauzia)
    * In Western Europe, areas where Turks or other Muslims are heavily present, i.e. France, Germany and Spain;
    * Most of Africa north of the Equator (with notable exception of Liberia, parts of Nigeria, Mali, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia) and some parts to the south of it, namely the coastal areas of Kenia and Tanzania, and an enclave in the DR Congo;
    * The whole of the Middle East, excluding Lebanon (partly Christian), but including Iran;
    * A large part of the former Soviet Union, including all the central Asian republics (Turkic and Muslim) and large areas of Russia proper (indigenous Turkic peoples, who generally aren't Muslim);
    * Mongolia, East Turkestan (Chinese at present, recently the scene of riots between native Turkic muslims and immigrated Han Chinese);
    * Afghanistan, Pakistan, almost all of India, half of Sri Lanka, all of Bangladesh, the whole of Indonesia and Malaysia and even the only partially muslim Philippines.

As a nationalist movement, pan-Turkism's rise and heyday coincided with similar ideologies in 19th and 20th century Europe, such as Pan-Germanism, Pan-Slavism and even Zionism. Nationalism seems a largely discredited and spent force nowadays. Pan-Islamism is a bit more a la mode, as Islam as a global political force has been in the ascendant in recent decades.

It is, however, not clear that political Islam's agenda is driven by a vision of the Caliphate, the once and future Empire covering the Ummah, under one ruler uniting absolute spiritual authority with temporal power. But surely it is significant, especially for this vision of a Turko-Islamic Empire, that the last holder of the title of Caliph, however symbolic by that time, was the last Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, deposed by Ataturk's secularist republic.

Which lends extra poignancy to the vision of Turkey as the lynchpin of this empire, covering all Muslims and all Turks. However, at no point did any sultan even come close to uniting all Turks and Muslims, or even all Turks or Muslims, in one state. So this Turko-Islamic Empire isn't an object of nostalgia, but a political project. One can see why this would come naturally to hardcore Turkish nationalists, but it's hard to see what's in it for those who do not share their 'overlap'. Why would a Siberian shaman feel any desire to be a citizen of the same state as a West African Muslim? Or vice versa?

Many thanks to Ilya Vinarski, another_m69, and others who contributed this map, found here.

[Ed Anger]

Sounds like Spellus-ism.

[Habbaku]

I think I have inspiration for my next single-player EU III game.

[syk]

Love this one, btw:

Accuracy ftw! Just look at the Horn of Africa.

[ulmont]

Another strange map I saw today: a map of the US divided into regions based on interconnections between public facebook profiles.
http://bit.ly/ckcXgJ

[Josquius]

I miss when facebook was more strictly divided into networks...that was cool.

[Solmyr]

Turan

Will it be defeated by: Conan?