Carter: US likely behind Chavez coup

[Faeelin]

Eh. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're a senile old fool.

[Berkut]

Eh. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're a senile old fool.

Translation: Sometimes you agree with me, and sometimes you don't.

[Grinning_Colossus]

Link?  Yeah right telling a guys political opponents all about what their secret international dealings are sounds like a great idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Daily_Brief

Former Presidents are entitled to receive the [President's Daily Brief], if they so desire, only after the sitting President actually receives his daily briefing.

[Faeelin]

Eh. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're a senile old fool.

Translation: Sometimes you agree with me, and sometimes you don't.

Pretty much, yep.

[Martinus]

Why is there no doubt?  If we are so freaking omniscient and almighty can't we someday use that to actually do something useful?

I think people often confuse or misunderstand what that means in operational terms. Absent of actual malice, a failure to act while having "full knowledge" can mean any of the following:

1. We "know" it, we don't know if it is true.
2. We have other things going on.
3. We can't do anything about it, and we don't want to compromise our sources.

Etc.

[Valmy]

Link?  Yeah right telling a guys political opponents all about what their secret international dealings are sounds like a great idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Daily_Brief

Former Presidents are entitled to receive the [President's Daily Brief], if they so desire, only after the sitting President actually receives his daily briefing.

Well go figure maybe Carter did also know about the Coup in advance and he failed to inform the Venezuelan government about it.  Jimmy Carter was behind the Chavez Coup.

[Warspite]

On the issue of omniscience:

Is it inconceivable US intelligence operatives may have known about the coup before it happened? That they may have been contacted by the plotters to guage the potential US reaction, perhaps solicit support? Because if this is plausible, then it is plausible that the US "knew" about the coup, in some way?

Given the proximity of the US to the whole situation, it would be something of a blunder if the coup attempt really did come unexpected to US intelligence.

This has nothing to do with the US being 'behind' the coup, of course.

[Valmy]

Is it inconceivable US intelligence operatives may have known about the coup before it happened? That they may have been contacted by the plotters to guage the potential US reaction, perhaps solicit support? Because if this is plausible, then it is plausible that the US "knew" about the coup, in some way?

Given the proximity of the US to the whole situation, it would be something of a blunder if the coup attempt really did come unexpected to US intelligence.

Well given the fact the US government was responsible for the construction of New Orleans Levees it would be reasonable to assume they were not built on swamp peat and sand either.  Nobody ever lost money betting the US Government blundered.

It is certainly possible they knew a coup was coming but I see nothing in our track record suggesting it is something that can be safely assumed or something we can have no doubt about.  Heck we were caught unprepared for the freaking economic crisis that was predicted on this Message Board years ago.

[CountDeMoney]

Seedy said Carter could tell because Carter was a southerner, and Seedy could tell Carter was right because Seedy is from a slave state.

[CountDeMoney]

Given the proximity of the US to the whole situation, it would be something of a blunder if the coup attempt really did come unexpected to US intelligence.

This has nothing to do with the US being 'behind' the coup, of course.

Amen.  Considering all the DEA listening posts from Columbia to Ft. Huachuca, honestly I'd be disappointed if we didn't know about the coup going down.  We get to hear lots of shit. 
Doesn't mean we were "behind" anything, which isn't even what Carter said, but the Languishite GOPtards will contort it anyway, because they want their country back from Teh Evil Nigger and His Big Govmint Minions(tm).

Jeanne Kirkpatrick was having dinner at the Argentinian ambassador's residence the night the Falklands were invaded. Think she heard anything?  If she did, does that mean we were "behind" it?

[FunkMonk]

Anyone get al Jazeera?  There's an article in The Atlantic in which the author absolutely raves about their reporting.

I watch it online from their English website for free (http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/), though the real player stream wouldn't work for me so I have to watch it through a third-party program linked on their site.

[Zoupa]

Jimmy doubles down.

Next up: the truth about 9/11?

Jimmy needs to shut up man.  He has no evidence to support this ridiculous claim only that he assumes it to be true.  It is like we elected Martim Silva to the Presidency.

Don't ex-pres get CIA briefings on a regular basis if they so choose? I think papa Bush did/does.

[Sheilbh]

IIRC, former presidents get routine intelligence briefings.

Link?  Yeah right telling a guys political opponents all about what their secret international dealings are sounds like a great idea.

I think it's bad show for a former President to be discussing what the current President's told them - which seems to be the case here, Carter discussing that Obama wants normal relations with Venezuela.  That he's doing it to a foreign newspaper also seems a bit off.

Is it inconceivable US intelligence operatives may have known about the coup before it happened? That they may have been contacted by the plotters to guage the potential US reaction, perhaps solicit support? Because if this is plausible, then it is plausible that the US "knew" about the coup, in some way?

It's on the record that the coup plotters met with American representatives.  The Americans apparently told them to stick to constitutional means and I believe they were investigated, again by the US government, who cleared them and their respective departments of any wrongdoing.

[Valmy]

It's on the record that the coup plotters met with American representatives.  The Americans apparently told them to stick to constitutional means and I believe they were investigated, again by the US government, who cleared them and their respective departments of any wrongdoing.

Um I am sure even Chavez knew there were plottings of a coup afoot.  Having 'full knowledge' means we knew what and when and how.

[Valmy]

Amen.  Considering all the DEA listening posts from Columbia to Ft. Huachuca, honestly I'd be disappointed if we didn't know about the coup going down.  We get to hear lots of shit. 
Doesn't mean we were "behind" anything, which isn't even what Carter said, but the Languishite GOPtards will contort it anyway, because they want their country back from Teh Evil Nigger and His Big Govmint Minions(tm).

Um dude:

"I think there is no doubt that in 2002, the United States had at the very least full knowledge about the coup, and could even have been directly involved," Carter said in an interview with Colombian El Tiempo newspaper published on Sunday.

Carter said it was understandable that Chavez continues to blame the US for the failed attempt to overthrow him.

I mean come on man.  He is basically saying all of Chavez's paranoid bullshit and the all the conspiracy theories are reasonable and might even be true.  He did not come out and say we were behind it but he acts like it is understandable for people to think so.