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[Berkut]

Red Alliance leadership consults with their Goonswarm masters.

[besuchov]

I honestly dont think the goons have that much control over their allies, even less control than they themselves might think. The fact that they havent been able to put a stop to this war and direct RA et al's attention towards the fight against AAA/Atlas/Agression is more a sign of weakness than a sign that the goons are pulling all the strings.

[Berkut]

They are the ones who directed "et al" to attack IRC/ED - the only way they can get out of it now is to end the war en masse, not piecemeal.

Which would not surprise me, although I wonder if IRC HC would go for it - at this point, everyone knows that GS is going to come curbstomp IRC at some point for having he audacity to not roll over when they were supposed to and GS made the public prediction that they would. So why end the war now, when we can hopefully make it so that GS never gets the freedom to do so?

I think IRC has painted themselves into something of corner - the only thing that is going to save them is for GS to stay too busy to give any appreciable portion of their attention to ER.

[MadBurgerMaker]

I honestly dont think the goons have that much control over their allies, even less control than they themselves might think.

GoonSwarm has little to no control over our allies.  The reason they attack morons like IRC and ED when they invade RA space is *because* they're allies.  This case seems to be a little weird though, since IRC and ED did it while they were still blue, and initially tried to say GS actually gave consent to the attack.

I'm not kidding:

[VnV] Pantheras > We were given the ok to do this a while back but things change so quickly. We were also given the ok from Goons but look now we are turned red. Only time will tell what the rest of them will do. Right now Xdeath has -A- and Atlas to deal with same with Goons. Then you throw in Kenny and what they do. We just pull together and fight. What happens later we will deal with when it happens.

  C'mon.  No, but now RA attacked IRC.  Yeah.  That's it.  GoonSwarm gave IRC permission to....be attacked by RA.  Heh. 

I mean...just glancing through the ED killboard around that time, this seems to be the first RA kill on their board from this current "thing": http://kb.etherealdawn.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4354  An RA tower.  In Insmother, 21 March at 20:59.  When was that tower put into reinforced?  Or was it unfueled and able to be killed immediately (that would be a curious thing for RA to do in the middle of a POS spamming attack).

A half hour later, RA's first killmail of this "event" against ED shows up on the board there: http://kb.etherealdawn.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=30195  Etherium Reach, 21 March, 21:28. 

I guess Red Alliance limited their kills and losses to only IRC members in the engagements that led up to IRC/ED attacking and destroying that POS with carriers and battleships?   Hm.  It's possible.  I'm seeing IRC lossmails in C-J6 on the 19th (http://irc.eve-kill.net/?a=losses&w=12&y=2009&page=10).   Let's see.....oh look...there are some RA lossmails from C-J6 on the 19th as well (http://irc.eve-kill.net/?a=kills&w=12&y=2009&page=3).  Looks like there was some fighting going on there on March 19, but there isn't anything between RA and IRC in the days before that.  Interesting.

Hey!  C-J6!  That's RA territory, isn't it Berk?  RA Prime, right?  Heh.  Yeah, it is.  There's not even a date for when Sov last changed in that system, it's been so long: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/C-J6MT

The fact that they havent been able to put a stop to this war and direct RA et al's attention towards the fight against AAA/Atlas/Agression is more a sign of weakness than a sign that the goons are pulling all the strings.

RA, etc (including xxDeath, who aren't doing anything against IRC, I don't think) are also fighting that whole group of different colors between GS space and their space.  That's the whole point.  They're fighting against AAA/SE/ROL/C0VEN/Atlas/etc (a huge and very competent group) on their southwestern borders, and now IRC/ED on their northeastern borders.  The idea that they would just randomly up and start attacking IRC in order to put themselves in this position is utterly retarded. 

As a matter of fact, on the day IRC attacked, and they did attack, XDeath and RA had put a bunch of AAA towers (in 46dp in case you're wondering) into reinforced.  They weren't able to go back and destroy them, because RA had to go back to fight these former blue toolbags from Etherium Reach, and XDeath didn't have the numbers.  AAA was then able to go from "defending" that side of their space (repping POS and keeping RA/Death caps from reinforcing their towers, in addition to dropping new towers in former Goon space), to helping KenZoku, etc, put 1,200+ people into 49- against GS and allies.  Fantastic, no?  And Berkut wonders why GoonSwarm and RA would trust them not to attack again.

[CountDeMoney]

On a totally unrelated note....leaving the IDA....have to do something...haven't had a reason to log in...

Says the guy that hadn't logged on in over week...something about being in a hospital.

Read the other thread.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Seedy, did you ever figure out or find a workaround for that 'Socket is closed' bullshit error?  That's an Alci style ragequit just waiting to happen ( ).

[CountDeMoney]

Seedy, did you ever figure out or find a workaround for that 'Socket is closed' bullshit error?  That's an Alci style ragequit just waiting to happen ( ).

Stopped happening to me.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Heh.  Titans are so stupid right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8mWyGgFpII

The (solo) explosion at ~1:14 is this:

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=196492

I guess they'll eventually try to DD a POS next, now that they've hit the point where they can nuke capitals (carriers, at least...the dreads either survived in structure or warped away so they wouldn't be lost).  That was the intro of a new GS titan as well, it looks like. 

It'll also be really funny when we try to hotdrop a capital fleet with only titans, and lose all of them. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpkNOXNnS9I&fmt=18  Another video.  Annoying TS noise, but no video stuttering outside of the usual Eve lag.  The Ragnorak doomsday is pretty cool.

Stopped happening to me.

When I posted that, it was doing it about 10-15 seconds after I logged on every time I tried.  Now...it doesn't anymore.   Don't know what the deal was.

[CountDeMoney]

When I posted that, it was doing it about 10-15 seconds after I logged on every time I tried.  Now...it doesn't anymore.   Don't know what the deal was.

Considering it started with the prior big content patch, and ended with the latest big content patch, I suspect the deal was those idiots at CCP.

[Berkut]

Wow, I guess everyone saw it coming, but it is still shocking to see.

Kenzoku/BoB is pulling out of 0.0. The great war is over, for the moment, and GS has won.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1099625

I think this could very well mean that IRC/ED are fooked.

[Berkut]

In other news, PL just made a rather astounding kill:

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=196492

[Grey Fox]

Can you explain what's astounding about that?

[Berkut]

Can you explain what's astounding about that?

There are 16 Titans on that killmail.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Considering it started with the prior big content patch, and ended with the latest big content patch, I suspect the deal was those idiots at CCP.

That's probably it.  I haven't been keeping track of patches or anything, but yeah CCP breaking something isn't out of the ordinary.

Wow, I guess everyone saw it coming, but it is still shocking to see.

Kenzoku/BoB is pulling out of 0.0. The great war is over, for the moment, and GS has won.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1099625

I think this could very well mean that IRC/ED are fooked.

Leaving Querious and Delve doesn't mean they're leaving 0.0.  They can always go live with one of their allies, unless, of course, their allies tell them to piss off. 

There are 16 Titans on that killmail.

Interestingly enough, there are two videos and that killmail link in a certain previous post.    27 titans.  The carrier just didn't survive the rest of them DDing.   They also had some test dreads there that didn't quite die.

[Berkut]

So MbM, what is GS doing next? Will they really reset like they said?