Hitchens: Clinton should have let Ling and Lee rot in N. Korea

Started by jimmy olsen, August 12, 2009, 01:39:24 PM

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Valmy

#45
August 12, 2009, 03:25:52 PM
Oh come now, seeing Bill Clinton continue to build his resume as greatest American Ever(tm) is downright hilarious.  That dude is such an attention whore.

When he was a candidate in 1992 it really grossed me out...but after 17 years it is just funny.  He just loves people loving him so much and they love to love him so much it is the most hilarious love fest in politics.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

garbon

#46
August 12, 2009, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 12, 2009, 03:23:27 PM
My first thought when I saw that was "Boy I bet grabon wets his pants when he sees this"  :D

:blush: :blush: :blush:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

#47
August 12, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
A shocking poll!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/12/clinton-popular-hillary-poll-shows/

QuoteBill Clinton More Popular Than Hillary, Poll Shows
A Rasmussen Reports poll released Wednesday showed 58 percent of those surveyed view the former president favorably, while 53 percent feel the same about Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Actually, I'm shocked that so many view Hillary favorably.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

#48
August 12, 2009, 04:07:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
Actually, I'm shocked that so many view Hillary favorably.

It was the Obama Team's responsibility to build her back up after they destroyed her :)

Seems like Secretary of State is a pretty easy job in which to get good approval numbers.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

garbon

#49
August 12, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 12, 2009, 04:07:21 PM
It was the Obama Team's responsibility to build her back up after they destroyed her :)

Seems like Secretary of State is a pretty easy job in which to get good approval numbers.

Oh?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/53_have_favorable_opinion_of_clinton
QuoteThese findings are down slightly from February just before Clinton's first overseas trip as secretary of State but are similar to those a month earlier before she assumed the chief position at the State Department.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

#50
August 12, 2009, 04:58:31 PM
From that same article:

:o

QuotePolling released earlier today shows that 15% of voters believe Clinton is Very Likely to become the first woman president of the United States. Another 23% say she is Somewhat Likely to achieve that honor.

:yeah:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

#51
August 12, 2009, 05:26:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2009, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on August 12, 2009, 03:12:44 PM
That was pretty amusing.  The Independent (my fav UK paper) had three great shots of it.

I loved it as I was like "My girl reminds me why I love her." :wub:

Yup, God Bless Hillary.  :blush:

Neil

#52
August 12, 2009, 05:53:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 12, 2009, 03:25:52 PM
Oh come now, seeing Bill Clinton continue to build his resume as greatest American Ever(tm) is downright hilarious.  That dude is such an attention whore.

When he was a candidate in 1992 it really grossed me out...but after 17 years it is just funny.  He just loves people loving him so much and they love to love him so much it is the most hilarious love fest in politics.
He's still better than Obama, although neither are half the man that Bob Dole is.
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KRonn

#53
August 12, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
A shocking poll!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/12/clinton-popular-hillary-poll-shows/

QuoteBill Clinton More Popular Than Hillary, Poll Shows
A Rasmussen Reports poll released Wednesday showed 58 percent of those surveyed view the former president favorably, while 53 percent feel the same about Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Actually, I'm shocked that so many view Hillary favorably.
I'm liking Hillary more and more. I started liking her more during the Presidential campaigns.

Legbiter

#54
August 12, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
Too late to return them now Hitchens.  :jaron:
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HisMajestyBOB

#55
August 12, 2009, 06:53:04 PM
One of my regular blogs had this interesting post, a translation of a North Korean defector's commentary on the Ling and Lee situation: http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2009/08/ask-korean-news-double-dose-of-joo.html
Of particular interest are his comments on how the photo-op will be used by the NorKs, and how the pair's treatment was pretty good by North Korean standards.

While I personally believe that the two journalists were complete and total idiots, I don't think the US should let its citizens, even stupid ones, rot under house arrest in a dictatorship. While the DPRK will undoubtedly gain significant domestic propaganda value from this, the price could have been higher. Hopefully this will dissuade others from doing similar stupid things (because no one wants to spend time in North Korean custody, even if it's certain you'll be freed eventually).
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Sheilbh

#56
August 12, 2009, 07:08:28 PM
I think he makes a good point.  Admittedly the only way an action by a Clinton with Kissinger's blessing would attract more opprobrium from Hitchens is if Mother Theresa appeared in the clouds above blessing it.  They are his betes noires in an unholy Pyongyang union.
Let's bomb Russia!

Viking

#57
August 12, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
Cīvis Rōmānus sum doesn't quite have the effect it used to.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Sheilbh

#58
August 12, 2009, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2009, 03:21:04 PM
Sure. We had three prominent democrats (Obama & The Clintons) arranging for the release of two of our citizens. Look at that Dem Starpower. ^_^ And why it even deflected attention from the fact that snake-like Al Gore raised nary a finger to help his people.
Al Gore did.  He was originally the guy who was meant to go to North Korea but the North Koreans refused him because he's not prominent/exciting enough :mellow:
Let's bomb Russia!

derspiess

#59
August 12, 2009, 09:48:09 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 12, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 12, 2009, 04:07:21 PM
It was the Obama Team's responsibility to build her back up after they destroyed her :)

Seems like Secretary of State is a pretty easy job in which to get good approval numbers.

Oh?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/53_have_favorable_opinion_of_clinton
QuoteThese findings are down slightly from February just before Clinton's first overseas trip as secretary of State but are similar to those a month earlier before she assumed the chief position at the State Department.

Well, it's Shrillary.  I guess you have to throw the rule book out the window with her. 

But how many secretaries of state in recent memory have had low approval numbers?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall
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