US abandoning Kurds in Syria

[Valmy]

Exactly. There is no sovereignty outcome for the Kurds, so there's no reason for the U.S. to fight for them, morally or practically.

I don't find this convincing. It is unlikely this one extreme scenario will occur anytime soon and I do not understand why this one scenario is what determines everything in our policy with the Kurds.

[chipwich]

Show your work. What is the overwhelming liability of protecting them?

They want independence are spread out between their four neighbors each of which don't want them to gain independence.

Strategic value: None, the US shouldn't be there anyway.

They are fighting for independance from:
Turkey
Syria
Iran
Irak.

Iran is a declared ennemy of your President. Shouldn't be a problem pissing them off, right?
Syria is a declared ennemy of the US and just about every occidental nations.  Shouldn't be a problem to piss 'em off, right?
Irak is holding together by the will of the US.  The Kurds there will settle for autonomy.  Shouldn'bt a problem to piss 'em off strike one of these great deals your President is so famous for?
Turkey is much more troublesome as an ally than anyone else in NATO.  They don't pull their fair share of the military costs, they don't actively engaged in outside peace keeping operations with NATO, and their only use as an ally was to maintain military bases and nuclear silos during the cold war.  Shouldn't be a problem to piss 'em off, right?  Unless your President is afraid?

It strikes me as cowardice by the current government of the United States.  Republicans can whine all they want, but they will not seriously oppose their president and go against him for more than token words of sorrow and dispointment.  They're the ones who enabled this.  It's like a SA complaining he got sent to Dachau after an unfair trial.

How about Canada solves these problems if it's so easy?

[Berkut]

Arguably the strategic value is showing the worth and trustworthiness and reliability of an American ally.

The United States needs to reduce it's number of allies and can't go around fighting wars just to maintain the number of deadweight allies it has.

The Kurds have fought courageously in the service of our shared interests though, hardly dead weight. They seem an odd choice if you want to shed unreliable, worthless allies. Turkey seems far more in that category than the Kurds.

What shared interests?

Destroying ISIS, of course.

In the last five years the SDF has lost around 11,000 men and women in the fight against ISIS. The US has lost 11.

Seems like it was a pretty fucking good deal we made.

[The Larch]

Apparently the EU was going to issue a warning to Turkey over their attack on Kurdish positions in Syria but Hungary has vetoed it.

[garbon]

Who cares about chiptroll? Apparently Languish...

[Admiral Yi]

Who cares about chiptroll? Apparently Languish...

I care about any unpopular position defended on the basis of facts.

[Razgovory]

Preventing... Until the end of time?

No, just the United States ceases to exist.  This isn't really that onerous a task.  I mean, we protect Mississippi a place with no value strategic or otherwise.  Hell the Kurds are much less likely to attack the US than Mississippi.

We didn't' really have that many troops in Syria, and keeping them there until we can hammer out a treaty that protects the lives of our friends and hopefully grants them some form of autonomy.  I think that's worth keeping 50 guys there.

[Razgovory]

Apparently the EU was going to issue a warning to Turkey over their attack on Kurdish positions in Syria but Hungary has vetoed it.

[The Brain]

Russia is a much more important American ally than the Kurds.

[crazy canuck]

How about Canada solves these problems if it's so easy?

Well, for starters who don't stab our allies in the back.  Perhaps the next President will have an opportunity to build confidence in the US again.  It is completely shot atm.

[chipwich]

How about Canada solves these problems if it's so easy?

Well, for starters who don't stab our allies in the back.  Perhaps the next President will have an opportunity to build confidence in the US again.  It is completely shot atm.

Canada should go rescue the Kurds then. Since Canada has so much confidence from the rest of the world. Go be the world police this time.

[FunkMonk]

Republicans in open revolt in the Senate, introducing bipartisan legislation placing heavy sanctions on Turkey when they come back from recess.

Donald singlehandedly destroying two alliances in a sensitive geopolitical region. Nice.

[garbon]

Who cares about chiptroll? Apparently Languish...

I care about any unpopular position defended on the basis of facts.

That does not seem to describe the current situation.

[Sophie Scholl]

Who cares about chiptroll? Apparently Languish...

Right?  Slow day for people or what?  Why feed the troll?

[crazy canuck]

Republicans in open revolt in the Senate, introducing bipartisan legislation placing heavy sanctions on Turkey when they come back from recess.

Donald singlehandedly destroying two alliances in a sensitive geopolitical region. Nice.

They have obviously not heard Chipwich's argument justifying the decisions of the great and unmatched leader.