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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on November 16, 2016, 10:22:09 PM
Flynn is another loyalist. He's been an adviser to the Trump Campaign since February.

Oh yeah, he's in the Inner Circle.  Bad enough he's a Yes Man, but he's up there with Guiliani in the Frothing Hatred department.

alfred russel

Quote from: Ed Anger on November 16, 2016, 10:30:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on November 16, 2016, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 16, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
Things I learned from the news media today:

Trump likes his steak well done, the right proper way.

I lose respect for people that order steak well done.

I also drench it in A1 sauce and ketchup.

I can't fault you for that. A burned piece of meat isn't going to be very edible on its own.
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-garbon, February 23, 2014

Hamilcar

So, Trump wants to meet Abe (if he can find the time). Isn't it traditional for new presidents to meet with the Canadian PM before any other leaders?

celedhring

I guess Abe is trying to salvage TPP? His administration was hanging a lot on it.

Zoupa

Quote from: Hamilcar on November 17, 2016, 02:01:17 AM
So, Trump wants to meet Abe (if he can find the time). Isn't it traditional for new presidents to meet with the Canadian PM before any other leaders?

Traditionally, the newly elected President goes to Ottawa for his first foreign trip.

Admiral Yi

I've also never heard of a president-elect meeting a foreign head of state before the inauguration.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: celedhring on November 17, 2016, 02:29:45 AM
I guess Abe is trying to salvage TPP? His administration was hanging a lot on it.

The TPP is dead. Abe would be better off playing on Trump's Yellow Peril fears with regards to China in order to get assurances on defense issues.
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Tamas

Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 17, 2016, 03:41:33 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 17, 2016, 02:29:45 AM
I guess Abe is trying to salvage TPP? His administration was hanging a lot on it.

The TPP is dead. Abe would be better off playing on Trump's Yellow Peril fears with regards to China in order to get assurances on defense issues.

It's cute how you think there are any other considerations for Trump other than the balance of his bank accounts.

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Tamas on November 17, 2016, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 17, 2016, 03:41:33 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 17, 2016, 02:29:45 AM
I guess Abe is trying to salvage TPP? His administration was hanging a lot on it.

The TPP is dead. Abe would be better off playing on Trump's Yellow Peril fears with regards to China in order to get assurances on defense issues.

It's cute how you think there are any other considerations for Trump other than the balance of his bank accounts.

He's been preaching protectionism since the 80s. The same with his foreign policy and xenophobia. If someone says the same thing for 30 years, believe them.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

Hard to see him as pulling off the popular rogue, a lot of his own voters didn't like him. But he's managed to surprise everyone for the last year, maybe it'll continue.  :hmm:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/11/14/four-scenarios-for-a-trump-presidency/

QuoteWith the election victory of Donald Trump, there are questions concerning what type of president he will be. As I have argued in my new book Megachange, we live in an era of large-scale transformation and therefore need to consider a wide range of possibilities, such as him succeeding as a traditional Republican, becoming a popular rogue, failing as president, or becoming an authoritarian leader. It is hard to predict which one is most likely or whether overtime he will move through several of these stages, but these are perspectives through which to envision his future. Back in early March, my colleague Philip Wallach wrote presciently on what might happen if Trump were elected, and now that the Republican nominee's election is a reality, I offer my take on the four possible Trumps.

Traditional Republican – During the campaign, candidate Trump took a variety of conventional and unconventional GOP positions. Like past leaders of his party, he endorsed tax cuts, deregulation, and Obamacare repeal. He spoke about the need for law and order, and talked tough on terrorism. At the same time, though, he challenged his party's thinking on entitlement reform and free trade, and claimed that past deals have sold out American workers in the Rust Belt.

In coordination with Republican majorities in the House and Senate, a President Trump could resolve this ideological dissonance by emphasizing the GOP orthodoxy of tax cuts, deregulation, and Obamacare, and downplaying his less conventional stances.  On trade, for example, he could open World Trade Organization proceedings against countries he thinks are engaging in unfair practices and seek bilateral trade agreements with greater protections for U.S. workers. With the infamous Mexico wall, he could spend years building the initial miles along the border and claim he was meeting his campaign pledge.

Administratively, he could turn policymaking details over to Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Paul Ryan, and Chief of Staff Reince Priebus. In this situation, Pence would be the de facto prime minister of the government. The trio surely would move Trump policies much closer to traditional GOP preferences on many issues. President Trump could pontificate in press conferences and public speeches, but his administration would follow the long-term policy arc of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Republicans would use their majority power to end gridlock and jam legislation through on a partisan basis. Republican voters would love him for breaking gridlock and taking decisive action, while Democrats would hate him for downsizing government.

Popular Rogue – In the race for the White House, Trump alternated between Teleprompter Trump who stayed on message and was reasonably calm and Bombastic Don who attacked opponents and insulted adversaries beyond measure. On a number of occasions, his personal behavior was insufferable and resulted in rude and demeaning comments about women, minorities, and immigrants.

In a Trump presidency, voters may discount this behavior and see him as a popular rogue, someone who breaks the conventional rules but performs effectively. This scenario would feature a populist Trump who would continue to attack the Establishment and seek to represent the little guy. He would speak out against illegal immigration, push congressional term limits, insult opponents, pass child care deductions, and take meaningful steps to promote opportunities for the voters who elected him.  As he promised on the campaign trail, he would protect Social Security and Medicare despite pressure within his own ranks to restructure them or make major cuts. His relations with the GOP would be fraught with tension because some of these positions are anathema to it, but ordinary people would appreciate that he was fighting for them. Overtime, he might remake the Republican coalition and make his party less beholden to large interests.

There are many examples of popular rogues in American history:  Governor Huey Long, Mayor James Curley, Governor Edwin Edwards, and Mayor Buddy Cianci. These individuals were flamboyant, outrageous, and sometimes even unethical, yet still popular with their constituents. They tapped the same frustrations Trump does, that elites don't care about ordinary people and the system is rigged against the little guy.

Failed President – Trump starts his presidency as someone who lost the popular ballot by two million votes and stirred great discontent among women, young people, minorities, and immigrants. In this situation, he likely will have no honeymoon and his popular support probably will fall during his term. This could happen in a variety of ways. There could be scandals involving sex or money. After all the campaign disclosures about Trump's personal behavior, there are questions about whether he can keep his hands off women for four years. In addition, even early in his administration planning, the president-elect seems shockingly oblivious to serious financial conflicts of interest on his transition team. Most of his advisors are corporate lobbyists or have ties to wealthy interests. As I note in my Billionaires book, many ultra-rich leaders elected in other countries such as Silvio Berlusconi of Italy practice crony capitalism and see themselves as above the law, and ultimately suffer legal or political recriminations.

Alternatively, there could be a policy backlash against concrete actions he takes. For example, what happens if millions of people lose health insurance following the repeal of Obamacare? What if Republicans privatize Medicare and rates go up or care goes down? What if Trump cozies up to Russian President Vladimir Putin? How will the country react if ordinary individuals lose their jobs because Republican tax cuts direct much of the money to the rich and there is a recession due to limited purchasing power from the middle class? A President Trump would not thrive during an economic slowdown because his business acumen is one of his greatest strengths with voters. President Obama has left his successor with a 5 percent unemployment rate and any major increase would devastate Trump's popularity. In this situation or in cases of major scandals, he likely would become a Jimmy Carter who only serves one term. History would judge him to have been a divisive and transient figure.

Appointing a partisan person to lead the Internal Revenue Service, FBI, or Department of Justice would signal possible threats to professional management. Restricting media access or making it easier for public officials to sue critics would send a dangerous sign that democracy is slipping and freedom of expression is under attack. Weakening voting rights in ways that disproportionately affects minorities would signal that he doesn't care about race relations and sees his political base mainly as white America. If there are actions like these which undermine democracy or hurt society as a whole, courageous citizens will have to step forward to defend the Constitution and reclaim the United States of America.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Syt

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Martinus

Quote from: Tamas on November 17, 2016, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 17, 2016, 03:41:33 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 17, 2016, 02:29:45 AM
I guess Abe is trying to salvage TPP? His administration was hanging a lot on it.

The TPP is dead. Abe would be better off playing on Trump's Yellow Peril fears with regards to China in order to get assurances on defense issues.

It's cute how you think there are any other considerations for Trump other than the balance of his bank accounts.

I really doubt Trump was motivated to seek US Presidency to improve his bank account balance.  :huh:

Martinus

Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 17, 2016, 06:48:15 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 17, 2016, 06:44:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 17, 2016, 03:41:33 AM
Quote from: celedhring on November 17, 2016, 02:29:45 AM
I guess Abe is trying to salvage TPP? His administration was hanging a lot on it.

The TPP is dead. Abe would be better off playing on Trump's Yellow Peril fears with regards to China in order to get assurances on defense issues.

It's cute how you think there are any other considerations for Trump other than the balance of his bank accounts.

He's been preaching protectionism since the 80s. The same with his foreign policy and xenophobia. If someone says the same thing for 30 years, believe them.

Trump has been preaching xenophobia since the 80s?  :huh:

Razgovory

Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on November 16, 2016, 10:22:09 PM
Flynn is another loyalist. He's been an adviser to the Trump Campaign since February.

Another guy with close ties to Russia.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Savonarola

Quote from: Zoupa on November 17, 2016, 02:48:22 AM
Quote from: Hamilcar on November 17, 2016, 02:01:17 AM
So, Trump wants to meet Abe (if he can find the time). Isn't it traditional for new presidents to meet with the Canadian PM before any other leaders?

Traditionally, the newly elected President goes to Ottawa for his first foreign trip.

Justin and Melania will share hair care tips thereby saving NAFTA and ushering in a new golden age of Canadian-American relations.
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