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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Valmy

Sure sending in US Troops to guarantee security for a Palestinian state in Gaza might have been a bold and decisive move at some point. But let's not pretend that is what Trump is saying, he saying we move in and take it over. And he won't do it. He is just destroying our credibility with his idiocy.

Let's not play the game of thinking he is talking about a scenario that makes sense that he didn't mention or intend.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Maladict

Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2025, 03:29:19 PMI think I said before - there's something to Trump's idea that the US should occupy Gaza and rebuild.  It could be the kind of "cutting the Gordian knot" kind of thinking that might make something actually happen.


There is nothing to the idea.

Trump has said himself he doesn't actually want the US to rebuild, others have to do it and pay for it. He just wants to "buy" it cheap and turn it into a Dubai. Which will not work, you can remove every building from Gaza but the people have memories so long they make the Balkans look like an Alzheimers ward.

Not to mention the Jordanian state collapsing under the influx of Palestinians.

Barrister

Quote from: garbon on February 10, 2025, 03:32:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 10, 2025, 03:29:19 PMI think I said before - there's something to Trump's idea that the US should occupy Gaza and rebuild.  It could be the kind of "cutting the Gordian knot" kind of thinking that might make something actually happen.
You also claimed you weren't normalizing him. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure the bits you cut made it pretty clear I wasn't "normalizing" him. :rolleyes:
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The Minsky Moment

Key to watch is if and when a federal judge holds an admin official in contempt for violating a court order. Contempt is enforced by federal marshals but although the marshals act as the enforcement arm of the judiciary, the Marshals Service is a branch of the DOJ. If Bondi orders the marshals not to enforce contempt orders against the administration, then we will have reached the stage of a fully accomplished Executive Coup d'etat.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

viper37

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 10, 2025, 04:49:44 PMKey to watch is if and when a federal judge holds an admin official in contempt for violating a court order. Contempt is enforced by federal marshals but although the marshals act as the enforcement arm of the judiciary, the Marshals Service is a branch of the DOJ. If Bondi orders the marshals not to enforce contempt orders against the administration, then we will have reached the stage of a fully accomplished Executive Coup d'etat.
Bondi wasn't picked to enforce court orders.
I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

Barrister

So in my "balls and strikes" approach to Trump:

1. Abolishing the penny is way, way overdue for the US.  Canada we got rid of the penny over a decade ago.

2. In typical Trump fashion, he is again trying to do so by EO when it seems very unlikely he has any such authority to do so.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Valmy

Obama wanted to get rid of the penny as well IIRC but it requires an act of Congress, which is why we still have pennies.

Or do we? I never use cash anymore so how would I know?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Oexmelin

QuoteWashington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2025 — President Donald Trump and Elon Musk are trying to use the Presidential Records Act's giant loopholes to hide records for the Department of Government Efficiency. 404 Media's Jason Koebler reports that staff at the U.S. Digital Service, which is being rebranded as the U.S. DOGE Service, will transition from being a Federal Records Act entity into a Presidential Records Act entity.

This means the public will have to wait until 2034 to file Freedom of Information Act requests for DOGE records, and hope they aren't destroyed before then.

https://freedom.press/the-classifieds/reform-the-presidential-records-act-or-risk-losing-doge-records/
Que le grand cric me croque !

HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: Oexmelin on February 10, 2025, 06:30:53 PM
QuoteWashington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2025 — President Donald Trump and Elon Musk are trying to use the Presidential Records Act's giant loopholes to hide records for the Department of Government Efficiency. 404 Media's Jason Koebler reports that staff at the U.S. Digital Service, which is being rebranded as the U.S. DOGE Service, will transition from being a Federal Records Act entity into a Presidential Records Act entity.

This means the public will have to wait until 2034 to file Freedom of Information Act requests for DOGE records, and hope they aren't destroyed before then.

https://freedom.press/the-classifieds/reform-the-presidential-records-act-or-risk-losing-doge-records/

That optimistically assumes they are keeping records to begin with and aren't already deleting as they go.
Three lovely Prada points for HoI2 help

crazy canuck

#35469
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on February 10, 2025, 04:49:44 PMKey to watch is if and when a federal judge holds an admin official in contempt for violating a court order. Contempt is enforced by federal marshals but although the marshals act as the enforcement arm of the judiciary, the Marshals Service is a branch of the DOJ. If Bondi orders the marshals not to enforce contempt orders against the administration, then we will have reached the stage of a fully accomplished Executive Coup d'etat.

Agreed, and we are likely only a few days from that.

I know you know this, but for the rest of our group - A Federal Judge ruled today that his order to release federal grant money was violated by the White House and the court noted that persons who fail to follow an order of the court are generally found to be in criminal contempt.

The Trumpists are unlikely to back down.  The US is days away from a full blown constitutional crisis (if it has not reached that point already).


The Minsky Moment

Yeah its ridiculously naive to think that Elon and his crack team of 20-something cybercriminals are carefully following government record keeping rules in the first place.
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: crazy canuck on February 10, 2025, 07:03:30 PMI know you know this, but for the rest of our group - A Federal Judge ruled today that his order to release federal grant money was violated by the White House and the court noted that persons who fail to follow an order of the court are generally found to be in criminal contempt.

The Trumpists are unlikely to back down.  The US is days away from a full blown constitutional crisis (if it has not reached that point already).

For further clarity -

if this happens, the implication is not just that the federal judiciary is no longer a functioning constitutional check, it also means that the United States Congress has been rendered irrelevant as well.  Congressional power to pass laws is meaningless if Executive has no obligation to carry them out. The power of the purse is meaningless if the Executive machinery can simply collect what taxes it wishes and deploy them as it wishes.  There is no purpose for a separate law making body if the Executive can legislate by Executive Order

That is why the implication is a fully accomplished coup
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Razgovory

The Justice Department is telling New York to drop charges against Eric Adams.  I guess we just aren't in the business of prosecuting criminals anymore.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

I am a bit surprised they are coming to Eric Adams aid of all people.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

Quote from: Valmy on February 10, 2025, 07:51:57 PMI am a bit surprised they are coming to Eric Adams aid of all people.
Trump has shown a soft spot for corrupt Democrats before.  I think he just respects corruption.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017