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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Tonitrus

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Between a NYT reporting tweeting that an anonymous said Trump has "stinky farts", to Fox News citing the expert opinion of randomblogger6969 as saying "Medicare for All will increase unemployment among Swedish-Americans"...journalism is mostly dead anyway.

Or, at least, difficult to find among the weeds.

alfred russel

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 11, 2021, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:42:46 PM
Right now there is speculation that some very senior people in the white house may be open to removing trump via the 25th amendment, and there very senior resignations. How much credibility does the report really have? You can't say because it is anonymous.

The granting on anonymity should have standards behind it--it shouldn't just be used to convey juicy gossip. These doesn't seem much better than a social reporter saying that someone close to the handsome bachelor said he had a gleam in his eye when speaking of a certain lady, but he had few kind words for his rumored paramour. What difference does it even make if Trump is more sad about losing the PGA tournament versus losing Twitter?

Explain to me the downside of reporting what Mr or Ms Guttted said with anonymity.

What is the downside of reporting anything of trivial importance or dubious accuracy?
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grumbler

This isn't an example of reporting, it's an example of tweeting.  As ET notes, if it was reporting, it would have journalistic standards behind it.  Some person tweeting what they heard from someone is just some person tweeting what they heard from someone.
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The Larch

Quote from: FunkMonk on January 10, 2021, 07:18:09 PM
Trump will award the Medal of Freedom to Bill Belichick this week.

IMPEACH HIS ASS NOW

QuoteNew England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has turned down Trump's invitation to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the wake of the riots last week at the U.S. Capitol

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viper37

Quote from: grumbler on January 11, 2021, 11:28:48 AM

If the feds are informed about potential lawbreaking, they can investigate if they have probable cause.  The law-talkers would have to say if the authorities have probable cause if they know that their informant obtained the information about the perps' identities via illegal means.
I'm pretty sure that if a hacker finds kiddie porn on a computer and subsquently reports it to the authorities, the authorities can act on this information, obtain a mandate and search the individual's computer.

I do remember such a case, involving a judge, but I can't remember if it was in Canada or the US.  I do remember that the actions the police took were deemed legitimate and the accused judge argued that the "evidence" was planted there by the malicious hacker.  I do not remember the verdict or the specifics of the ruling.
Of course, if the hacker is found, he would still be liable of a criminal act, but that's a different matter.
I think there are several hacker groups operating in the darknet who are supposedly reporting pedophiles to the authorities when they find them.  In so far as it is only a rumour, I have not seen credible evidence that their tips has led to any arrests, so I don't know what would really happen in a court of law if the police openly admitted being tipped off by criminals about another criminal activity.

There are precedents with Whithey Bulger submitting tips to the FBI about his competitors, but I don't know if it led to any convictions and if they were later overturned.
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viper37

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

The text details how to keep Trump from running again, the sure way, without an impeachment trial that could/would likely still see him acquitted by the GOP, since it requires 2/3 of the Senate.
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Valmy

Quote from: The Larch on January 11, 2021, 09:22:27 PM

QuoteNew England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has turned down Trump's invitation to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom in the wake of the riots last week at the U.S. Capitol

Somebody too evil for Bill Belichick. Damn.
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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".


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Eddie Teach

Quote from: viper37 on January 11, 2021, 10:46:20 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/11/impeachment-wont-keep-trump-running-again-heres-better-way/

The text details how to keep Trump from running again, the sure way, without an impeachment trial that could/would likely still see him acquitted by the GOP, since it requires 2/3 of the Senate.

Cliff notes?
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Sheilbh

Quote from: alfred russel on January 11, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
The problem with this type of reporting is that it is basically hearsay of a reaction, with an anonymous source, reported through Twitter.
I mean I'm used to British political journalism so I have zero issue with any of that and find American pearl clutching over anonymous sources really weird and alien :P

It's like people don't want to know what's happening. In this case Haberman's been the most important reporter to follow through the Trump years in my view. So for me she has the credibility of the last 5 years reporting figures within the Trump's orbit.

QuoteRight now there is speculation that some very senior people in the white house may be open to removing trump via the 25th amendment, and there very senior resignations. How much credibility does the report really have? You can't say because it is anonymous.
You can look at the reporter's body of work. Do they have a history of good reporting in the area they're tweeting about? In my opinion in covering Trumpworld, Haberman's second to none.
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