Navy gets rid of Enlisted Ratings

[MadBurgerMaker]

Was it because your patients died frequently?

I take it back, Seedy.  Yours was good.

[HVC]

Was it because your patients died frequently?

I take it back, Seedy.  Yours was good.

Could have been worse, he could have gone the necrophilia route.

[DGuller]

 

[MadBurgerMaker]

Could have been worse, he could have gone the necrophilia route.

I dunno.  Just going straight to "Well stop banging the dead bodies" or whatever works pretty damn well for a reply to that comment.

[lustindarkness]

Well, here is the Navy message, and it seems ratings will be going away:

UNCLASSIFIED
ROUTINE
R 291443Z SEP 16
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC
BT
UNCLAS
PASS TO OFFICE CODES:
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//

NAVADMIN 218/16

MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1/SEP//

SUBJ/NAVY RATING MODERNIZATION//

RMKS/1.  This NAVADMIN announces the first phase of a multi-year
implementation effort to transform current Navy Enlisted Career Management
processes.

2.  This modernization effort is the result of a review of Navy rating titles
completed this year by the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy and his
leadership mess.  As a result, the Secretary of the Navy announced that the
Navy will develop a new approach to enlisted ratings that provides greater
detailing flexibility, training and credentialing opportunities, and
ultimately translates Navy occupations more clearly to the American public. 
The intent is to transform our enlisted personnel business processes to
maximize talent management and career flexibility, while arming our Sailors
with superior training and widely recognized credentials that will convey to
the civilian workforce.

3.  Navy will move from Rating Titles to alpha-numeric Navy Occupational
Specialty (NOS) codes. This change is a first step on the way to providing
Sailors the opportunity to move back and forth between occupations.  This
change represents a significant cultural shift and it is recognized that it
will not happen overnight, but will take time to become fully implemented.

4.  Effective immediately, enlisted Navy Sailors will be addressed by rank
vice by rating.  E1 through E3 Sailors will be addressed as "Seaman," E4
through E6 will be called "Petty Officer Third/Second/First Class" as
appropriate and senior enlisted paygrades of E7 through E9 will be called
"Chief, Senior Chief, or Master Chief" depending on their paygrade. For
example, a Sailor will no longer be called YN2.  Instead, he or she will be
called a "Second Class Petty Officer," or simply "Petty Officer."  There will
no longer be a distinction between "Airman, Fireman, and Seaman."  They will
all be "Seamen."  As we move toward a Navy where Sailors may hold multiple
occupations, rating titles will no longer be applicable.  Addressing our
Sailors by rank also brings us more in line with the other services.

5.  NOS codes will be grouped under logical and broader career fields.  These
career fields will enable flexibility to move between occupational
specialties within career fields and they will be tied to appropriate
training and qualifications.  Each NOS will be matched with similar civilian
occupations to enable the Navy to identify credentials and certifications
recognized and valued within the civilian workforce.  The Navy will
aggressively pursue opportunities for Sailors to earn credentials recognized
and held by their civilian counterparts and incorporate those credentials
into Sailors professional development.

6.  A working group was formed in July to identify personnel policies,
management programs, and information technology systems that may require
modification to support this effort. The working group has developed
recommendations and a plan of action and milestones to fully implement the
transformation to NOS.  Changes to personnel management processes, policies,
programs and systems will proceed in deliberate and thoughtful phases that
will enable transitions that are seamless and largely transparent to the
fleet.  Fleet involvement and feedback will be solicited during each phase of
the transformation.  All aspects of enlisted force management to include
recruiting, detailing, advancements, training, and personnel and pay
processes are being carefully considered as we move forward.

7.  This change is one step in a larger effort to modernize our personnel
systems, and will benefit all Sailors with greater career flexibility while
in the Navy and after they depart the Service.

8.  Released by Vice Admiral R. P. Burke, N1.//

BT
#0001
NNNN
UNCLASSIFIED//

[lustindarkness]

Huh. That's.......a thing.

You know, I can't think of very many times where I was actually called "Airman lastname, " vs just my last name in normal, not school type situations.  I was called AW#, and Petty Officer a lot when walking around Pensacola and Camp Pendleton, but just "lastname" on the ship when talking to pretty much everyone except the OIC and the captain.  Everyone not an officer or Chief+ was just "lastname."  vOv

Never heard anyone actually refer to someone else as "Petty Officer X Class lastname" in my life.  Because wtf

E:  lolz that comment:  "Next announcement over the 1MC, "Petty Officer 2nd Class Smith, Report to the Quarterdeck". Within 5 min IT2 Smith, DC2 Smith, YN2 Smith, GMG2 Smith and EN2 Smith all arrive on the Quarterdeck and it was GSM2 Smith they were looking who is on leave. "

A500, no more AW.

I would be a B220, but as a retired old goat, all my paperwork still says HTC. Not that it matters, like mentioned before, we are called Chief no matter the rate.


PS: A500 and B220, sounds like Star Wars androids or something .

[MadBurgerMaker]

   Yeah they do. 

Do you have a list of the...er...NOSs?

[lustindarkness]

From Reddit, yeah I know I know, but I don't want to deal with my emails from my phone. Long ass post incoming! :

EDIT: COPY AND PASTE SCREWD UP THE FORMAT Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/navy/comments/557hbx/old_rate_to_new_nos_code_conversion/

Directly from the Rating Modernization Briefing card and Talking Points I was sent yesterday.


OLD RATE

NEW NAVY OCCUPATIONAL SPECIALTY (NOS) CODE


AB A100
ABE A101
ABF A102
ABH A103
AD A110
AF A120
AM A130
AME A131
AE A200
AT A210
AV A220
AC A400
AG A410
AO A420
AS A430
AZ A440
PR A450
AW A500
AWR A505
AWS A510
AWO A520
AWF A530
AWV A550
EN B110
GS B120
GSE B121
GSM B122
MM B130
DC B200
EM B210
HT B220
IC B230
MR B250
FC B310
FC B311
GM B320
STG B340
BM B400
ET B420
OS B440
QM B450
IT B460
B480
CTI B510
CTI B511
CTI B512
CTI B515
CTI B516
CTM B520
CTN B525
CTR B540
CTT B550
IS B600
MC B610
LN B630
MA B640
CS B650
MU B660
NC B670
NC B675
PS B710
RP B720
SH B730
LS B740
YN B750
FLT, FOR, CNO, CMD, MCN B800
ETV C121
ETR C126
FT C130
MMA C150
MMW C151
MN C160
CS C170
MT C180
LS C220
STS C230
YN C250
ITS C260
CS, EMN, ETN, ETR, ETV, LS, MMA, MMW, MMN, YN C900
EMN D100
EMN D101
EMN D102
ETN D110
ETN D111
ETN D112
FN D120
MMN D130
MMN D131
MMN D132
MMN D133
MMN D134
SN D140
ND E100
EOD E200
SO E300
SB E350
HM G000
BU H100
CE H110
CM H120
CU H130
EA H140
EO H150
EQ H160
SW H170
UC H180
UT H190
AD J020
AE J030
AF J040
AM J080
AME J081
AN J090
AO J100
AS J120
AT J130
AV J140
AW J150
AWF J154
AZ J170
PR J180
BM K000
DC K020
EM K050
EN K060
ET K070
FN K080
HT K090
IC K100
MR K130
CS K140
NC K150
NC K155
IT K200
SN K220
HM L500
PS L510
LS L520
YN L530
Various L540
Various L600
Various L650
CANREC L700
SN M100
SN M150
SN M200
FN M300
FN M350
FN M400
AN M500
AN M550
CN M600
OCMSN V000
OCO2 V010
OCA2 V020
OCNPSN V030
OCCSN V040
OCBSN V050
OCHSN V060
Mobilization, MPN Z900
Other Special Program Indicators Z910
All Other SPI/Unidentified Z999

[HVC]

You guys have way too many grades.

[MadBurgerMaker]

From Reddit, yeah I know I know, but I don't want to deal with my emails from my phone. Long ass post incoming! :

<bigass list>

Whats with the multiple instances of the same thing (for example AW A500 and AW J150, or all the CTIs, etc)?  There aren't enough for them to be some sort of replacement for the NEC system.

[lustindarkness]

From Reddit, yeah I know I know, but I don't want to deal with my emails from my phone. Long ass post incoming! :

<bigass list>

Whats with the multiple instances of the same thing (for example AW A500 and AW J150, or all the CTIs, etc)?  There aren't enough for them to be some sort of replacement for the NEC system.

I Don't know yet, was just looking at this, as an HT I would be either B220 or K090. Dafuq? Depends on skills?

I have not had the time or energy to study what little has been made public so far. I have asked a bit and no one knows anything yet, everyone was just as surprised.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Well this seems like it was well planned and effectively communicated. 

The crows are going to look strange without a rating indicator underneath them.  E:  Hey didn't Seabees have their own thing too?  Constructionman or something?  With blue stripes. 

[11B4V]

As an Commissioned Officer I'm sure you will see it differently than the enlisted folks, different subculture. Back when Moses signed your PQS, you never started as enlisted did you?

I did start out as enlisted.

Now, the story posted above refers how sailors "will be addressed as."  That's talking about how you address them (i.e. to their face).  The system outlined here is what it always was for me in the navy - except for E-3 and below, we used titles (petty officer, chief, lieutenant, etc) plus last name.

The story refers to a "Enlisted Rating Modernization Plan."  I don't see where it says it is an Enlisted Rating Elimination Plan.  Ratings have been modernized numerous times over the years - there aren't stewards and messmen, just messmen.  There aren't FTGs and FTMs, just FTs (and even those might have changed since i retired).

If they are actually eliminating ratings rather than just modernizing them and standardizing terms of address, that's a different story.

Army calls it MOS

This change will also allow the Navy to more accurately identify Sailors' skills by creating "Navy Occupational Specialty" (NOS) codes that allow greater assignment flexibility for Sailors throughout their career and will be matched with similar civilian occupations to enable the Navy to identify credentials and certifications recognized and valued within the civilian workforce.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=96924

[11B4V]

Huh. That's.......a thing.

You know, I can't think of very many times where I was actually called "Airman lastname, " vs just my last name in normal, not school type situations.  I was called AW#, and Petty Officer a lot when walking around Pensacola and Camp Pendleton, but just "lastname" on the ship when talking to pretty much everyone except the OIC and the captain.  Everyone not an officer or Chief+ was just "lastname."  vOv

Never heard anyone actually refer to someone else as "Petty Officer X Class lastname" in my life.  Because wtf

E:  lolz that comment:  "Next announcement over the 1MC, "Petty Officer 2nd Class Smith, Report to the Quarterdeck". Within 5 min IT2 Smith, DC2 Smith, YN2 Smith, GMG2 Smith and EN2 Smith all arrive on the Quarterdeck and it was GSM2 Smith they were looking who is on leave. "

A500, no more AW.

I would be a B220, but as a retired old goat, all my paperwork still says HTC. Not that it matters, like mentioned before, we are called Chief no matter the rate.


PS: A500 and B220, sounds like Star Wars androids or something .

Welcome to the club.  11B4VQ6

Of course there is only one MOS and that's 11B.

[CountDeMoney]

Welcome to the club.  11B4VQ6

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