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Supreme Court rules for white firefighters

Started by jimmy olsen, June 29, 2009, 02:08:45 PM

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jimmy olsen

Quote from: Martinus on July 01, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 01, 2009, 01:14:12 AM
I'm glad about the ruling. It should always be the best person for the job, not the prerequisite gender/race/sexuality combo according to quota.

I am not sure I entirely agree, actually, especially when the job is in a position that is a part of a "team" and is not one that requires a significant skill or experience. In such cases, promoting diversity may pay off better than actually having a non-diverse group composed of "best persons for the job" because there are apparently studies that suggest that the "whole is greater than the sum of its parts" effect is more pronounced in diverse groups.
You think being the Captain of a fire fighting crew doesn't require "significant skill or experience"? :blink:
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Quote from: Martinus on July 01, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 01, 2009, 01:14:12 AM
I'm glad about the ruling. It should always be the best person for the job, not the prerequisite gender/race/sexuality combo according to quota.

I am not sure I entirely agree, actually, especially when the job is in a position that is a part of a "team" and is not one that requires a significant skill or experience. In such cases, promoting diversity may pay off better than actually having a non-diverse group composed of "best persons for the job" because there are apparently studies that suggest that the "whole is greater than the sum of its parts" effect is more pronounced in diverse groups.

While you at least have a point (whether it's correct or not) with the rest of your argument, it's simply not correct to say that the position doesn't require skill or experience. 
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Quote from: Razgovory on July 01, 2009, 02:49:31 AM
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New Haven apparently did everything possible to make sure the test was fair. Had everything covered. And even then the city feared using the results of the test. They just couldn't win, things are so screwy with something like this. A good decision by the court. I'm amazed it was even so close.

garbon

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Quote from: Phillip V on July 01, 2009, 01:21:12 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 01, 2009, 01:14:12 AM
I'm glad about the ruling. It should always be the best person for the job, not the prerequisite gender/race/sexuality combo according to quota.
But the test is fixed for white firefighters, that's what!

How so?
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grumbler

Quote from: Phillip V on July 01, 2009, 01:21:12 AM
But the test is fixed for white firefighters, that's what!
If it's fixed, don't break it.  :cool:
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Quote from: garbon on July 01, 2009, 12:30:07 PM
Yay standardized tests, how I love thee.
This wasn't really a standardized test, though.  It was specifically designed for these test-takers in this promotion cycle.
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Quote from: Barrister on July 01, 2009, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 01, 2009, 01:37:30 AM
I am not sure I entirely agree, actually, especially when the job is in a position that is a part of a "team" and is not one that requires a significant skill or experience. In such cases, promoting diversity may pay off better than actually having a non-diverse group composed of "best persons for the job" because there are apparently studies that suggest that the "whole is greater than the sum of its parts" effect is more pronounced in diverse groups.

While you at least have a point (whether it's correct or not) with the rest of your argument, it's simply not correct to say that the position doesn't require skill or experience.

It's Languish. The only job that requires skill and experience is that of the person posting. The rest anyone can do.   ;)
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DontSayBanana

Considering it was a promotion exam, all the candidates had to successfully get through the same fire school and pass the same civil service exam to work in a paid fire company.

Unless they could have presented questions on the exam that actually targeted ethnicity directly, this whole thing was fucking stupid.
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