Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

dps

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 28, 2019, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 28, 2019, 12:12:22 PM
Rory Stewart may well be a very sensible fellow, but I fear he will undo much of the progress Britain has made in recent years in terms of eliminating the stereotype of Bad British Teeth.

I would prefer it if we could go back to the old days and be mocked for our teeth rather than our stupidity  :bowler:


No reason you can't be mocked for both.

Josquius

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Zanza

Trump is using his official state visit to meet Johnson and Farage, both of which are declared opponents of his host May, and pushes for Johnson as next PM. Bolton is saying that Brexit is in the interest of the US. Sovereignity, finally free from the eurocrats!  :bowler:

Tamas

Quote from: Zanza on June 01, 2019, 12:07:38 AM
Trump is using his official state visit to meet Johnson and Farage, both of which are declared opponents of his host May, and pushes for Johnson as next PM. Bolton is saying that Brexit is in the interest of the US. Sovereignity, finally free from the eurocrats!  :bowler:

To be fair, Trump just usually looks at a situation and backs what he considers the most controversial option. It won him the presidency so it clearly must be working.


Syt

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Tonitrus

I know you Brits have a FPTP system like us Yanks, but does that also mean if, say, those poll results were applied to a constituency election, TBP would nab a seat with just 26% of the vote and no kind of run-off?

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Tonitrus on June 02, 2019, 03:26:40 AM
I know you Brits have a FPTP system like us Yanks, but does that also mean if, say, those poll results were applied to a constituency election, TBP would nab a seat with just 26% of the vote and no kind of run-off?

Yes it would. The concern now is that, given all the splintering, a party could win a Commons majority but only have, say, 28% of the vote. In practice there would be tactical voting and loser parties would tend to lose support.......but the risk remains. The conservatives and labour have really made a mess of things to have created this existential threat to their continued role as the parties of government.

Tamas

And it seems like Corbyn's primary objective is still to deteriorate things to force a general election, but I have no idea why he thinks he'd win that.

Syt

Any chance of reforming FPTP anytime soon? Like at least having a decisive vote between the two frontrunners if no one clears 50%?
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Tamas

Quote from: Syt on June 02, 2019, 05:11:53 AM
Any chance of reforming FPTP anytime soon? Like at least having a decisive vote between the two frontrunners if no one clears 50%?

I'd assume the issue is that FPTP is bad for you if you are not one of the big winners. If you are, i.e. you are in a position to change it, you do not want to change it anymore since it benefits you.

The Brain

Maybe the UK shouldn't attempt any major political decisions. Just a thought.
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Josquius

They're due to spent billions rebuilding the palace of westminster in the next few years.
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and using this once a century opportunity to rebuild it exactly as it is rather than creating a more modern, supportive of democracy lay-out <_<
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Richard Hakluyt

It will make a nice museum; meanwhile a new parliament building can be constructed for the 21st century, somwhere like Stoke would be a good choice.

Josquius

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 02, 2019, 06:56:49 AM
It will make a nice museum; meanwhile a new parliament building can be constructed for the 21st century, somwhere like Stoke would be a good choice.

Yes, but they should be doing this now. Or at least doing it on the cheap. The amount they're spending is just insane.

At the least the temporary parliament whilst construction is under way should be elsewhere. If not a random place in the Midlands then Cardiff or Edinburgh would also be meaningful.
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