Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Zoupa]

It's a river. In Egypt.

[Josquius]

Still not getting the relevance.
Something about the past being irrelevant?

[The Brain]

It's the Nile. Denial. There's some variations to this joking way to indicate that someone is in it, including "Say hi to Antinous from me" etc.

[Josquius]

I see.... Didn't know you were getting into cockney rhyming slang.
You're the one in denial on this. I'm just stating a fact. Do you really think there would have been such a big anti semitism issue a few years ago if this was just business as normal?

[The Brain]

I see.... Didn't know you were getting into cockney rhyming slang.
You're the one in denial on this. I'm just stating a fact. Do you really think there would have been such a big anti semitism issue a few years ago if this was just business as normal?

*shrug* An organization that lets a turd like Corbyn float to the surface isn't an organization with healthy values.

[garbon]

#MeToo was about business as usual. So too is the current cricket racism scandal.

[Sheilbh]

#MeToo was about business as usual. So too is the current cricket racism scandal.

Yeah I was going to post a thread on that.

It's disgraceful - and it's linked to why I posted "the P-word" a while ago, because I think it is as unacceptable and has similar connotations and force in the UK in the context of anti-Asian racism. Obviously because of the larger British Asian population and the history of colonialism (the "elephant washer" thing stuck out), that is a form of racism that I think is particularly strong in the UK and has particular resonance here. It's a form of racism that I think we, in this country, need to be particularly aware of because, I'd guess, this has probably been the worst place for it.

And the individual case of Rafiq is sad and his evidence was very powerful.

[Josquius]

I see.... Didn't know you were getting into cockney rhyming slang.
You're the one in denial on this. I'm just stating a fact. Do you really think there would have been such a big anti semitism issue a few years ago if this was just business as normal?

*shrug* An organization that lets a turd like Corbyn float to the surface isn't an organization with healthy values.

You're either ignorant or have fucked up moral values.
Corbyn is shit. Of that I am certain.
But shitty and ineffectual isn't the same as being a horrible person. He seems as decent a person as anyone who rises to being a senior politician in this country can be

#MeToo was about business as usual. So too is the current cricket racism scandal.

Not really the same thing here though. Labour has historically been the anti-racist party. Jews have historically tended to support Labour in much greater numbers than the tories.
A similar level of racism in the tories would, even right wing bias aside, barely be mentioned by the media.
It's precisely because this anti zionism/anti semitism muddying had begun to take route in the anti racist party, and most importantly the leaderships utter failure to handle it, that the scandal emerged.

[Sheilbh]

In the context of corruption and cash-for-honours etc I think it is worth noting that Shami Chakrabarti's case is, I would argue, as bad as anything we've seen in recent years in British politics. I will never understand why she trashed her reputation in this way, which was really strong as a widely respected civil liberties lawyer and campaigner.

The Labour leadership asked her to chair an inquiry into antisemitism and other forms of racism (because Corbyn could never mention antisemitism without appending "and all other forms of racism") in April 2016.

She published the report in June that broadly exonerated Labour and particularly the leadership: Labour was "not overrun by anti-semitism, Islamophobia or other forms of racism" (which seems a low bar). Then Corbyn nominated her for a peerage in August and in September she was appointed to the shadow cabinet as shadow Attorney General.

[garbon]

[HVC]

hey, at least its not press gangs this time. Progress!

[Josquius]

Great idea.
So, I trust they'll be setting up a decent childcare system worthy of a developed country to enable this?
Right?
RIGHT?

[Sheilbh]

Repulsive phrasing of changing business practices "allowing" British people to take jobs done by migrants. What it means is less exploitation which should obviously apply to all workers despite their national background 

[Sheilbh]

And on Mail Kremlinology - the editor's gone unexpectedly. Being replaced by Ted Verity (and seen as more pro-government/Dacre's man) and the man behind MailOnline is in charge of all news operations. But apparently the driver is they're basically merging MailOnline with the Daily Mail and the digital team won - expectation is they'll now merge with the Sunday Mail so they're likely to get merged into a single Online/Daily/Sunday behemoth

Watching Tories and the Mail and the petty grievances and narcissisms, the fury and the grudge-bearcing it feels like all right-wing institutions in the UK are basically like Succession, while all left-wing ones are the Thick of It

Edit: Incidentally apparently PMQs was spicy today - it means nothing but it's basically a morale booster generally for the parliamentary party so it is striking to see how empty the Tory benches were behind Johnson. I don't think I've seen anything like this before:


Although his many potential replacements, Sunak and Truss, both sat next to him with some ostentatious loyalty after they both made some pretty ambiguous moves in the last week

Edit: Also this strikes me as an area where the UK and EU could helpfully cooperate because it's in no-one's interests watching Dodik kick off:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/opinion/bosnia-dodik-dayton-accords

[Josquius]

They showed some of PMQ on the news which I happened to catch.
My partners response: this parliament is stupid. All they're doing is insulting each other.


I wonder if the UK ever will become a democracy.