Hillary vs Bernie

[Admiral Yi]

no. I'm not talking about misogyny, and this is why I said I don't like using the word "sexism." what I referred to in my earlier posts is committed by women far more than men.

OK.  And the rest is correct?

[LaCroix]

OK.  And the rest is correct?

no. the comments I read today in this thread are the first I've heard about a flip flop issue over trade. I saw a discussion re: hillary changing views on a subject matter. this seemed like a minor thing given that every politician does this to some extent. "totality of circumstances" wasn't referring to this particular issue, but the totality of circumstances in some peoples' utter dislike for hillary.

[Admiral Yi]

no. the comments I read today in this thread are the first I've heard about a flip flop issue over trade. I saw a discussion re: hillary changing views on a subject matter. this seemed like a minor thing given that every politician does this to some extent. "totality of circumstances" wasn't referring to this particular issue, but the totality of circumstances in some peoples' utter dislike for hillary.

I think I got it.

"Every politician flips once in a while.  People I know, and I assume more people in the general population, judge Hillary on a double standard.  I don't believe this to be true of any of the posters involved. This second thought is not related to the current discussion, but is rather a new tangent I was introducing."

Is that it?

[garbon]

What a jerk.

[LaCroix]

I think I got it.

"Every politician flips once in a while.  People I know, and I assume more people in the general population, judge Hillary on a double standard.  I don't believe this to be true of any of the posters involved. This second thought is not related to the current discussion, but is rather a new tangent I was introducing."

Is that it?

correct

though, strikethrough might be arguable.

[jimmy olsen]

It was always a long shot for Bernie to win, but I think there's definitely a chance that he well end up influencing the party long term in the same way that Goldwater influenced the GOP.

Given how leftwing the younger generation is, the liberal insurgents are likely to grow stronger and stronger in the election cycles to come until they eventually win.

The actual poll
http://static.politico.com/bc/7c/c808106e44eaa8855a3a12553bb7/snapchat-generation-release.pdf

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/24/top-gop-pollster-young-americans-are-terrifyingly-liberal/

Top GOP Pollster: Young Americans Are Terrifyingly Liberal

Jon Schwarz

Feb. 25 2016, 3:27 a.m.

According to new polling by right-wing political consultant Frank Luntz, Americans 18 to 26 are extremely liberal — so liberal that "the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government" should "frighten every business and political leader" and "excite activists for Sanders and, to a lesser degree, Clinton activists."

Luntz's poll found that young Americans are optimistic about both the country's future and their own: 61 percent say the best days of the United States are still ahead of us rather than behind us, and 88 percent are somewhat, very, or extremely optimistic about their economic prospects. But they have concerns, too. Their biggest, in order, are "corruption," "greed," and "inequality."

President Obama is not their favorite political figure — Bernie Sanders is. Indeed, 31 percent said Bernie Sanders is the major political figure they "like and respect the most" — more than Obama (18 percent) and Hillary Clinton (11 percent). Fewer young people like and respect Republican politicians, with just 9 percent choosing Donald Trump, 5 percent George W. Bush, and 5 percent Ted Cruz. Bill Clinton has been nearly forgotten, with only 3 percent choosing him. Elizabeth Warren also has low visibility, chosen by just 2 percent. All in all, 66 percent of young Americans chose a Democratic political figure.

Admiration of Sanders is especially strong among the younger half of respondents, with 40 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds saying he's the political figure they most like and respect.

In addition, more 18- to 21-year-olds chose Sanders as the person they'd most like to have dinner with than anyone else, ahead of Obama, Jennifer Lawrence, Ellen DeGeneres, Bill Gates, Taylor Swift, and Beyoncé.

They aren't nationalistic: 58 percent of respondents said they agreed more with the statement "America isn't better or worse than most other countries" than with "America is exceptional. It's better than every other country in the world." In fact, 35 percent of 18- to 26-year-olds, including 42 percent of 18- to 21-year-olds, said they considered themselves more a citizen of the world than of the U.S.

In response to the question, "Which type of political system do you think is the most compassionate?", 58 percent said socialism and 9 percent said communism. Just 33 percent chose capitalism. Sixty-six percent of the poll's respondents said corporate America "embodies everything that is wrong about America."

Finally, more young Americans declared that the "most pressing issue facing America today" is income inequality than anything else. Income inequality was followed by education — specifically its cost. Respondents said they most respect nurses and doctors, followed by teachers and soldiers. The least-respected professions are bankers (2 percent), real estate agents (2 percent), elected officials (4 percent), and business leaders (6 percent). Wisely, just 7 percent of young Americans respect journalists.

The poll, conducted February 11 to 14, surveyed 1,000 18- to 26-year-olds. In the introduction to his polling memo, Luntz dubs young Americans "the Snapchat Generation," which indicates that he is very, very old.

[jimmy olsen]

It is my belief - and I certainly can't prove it - that both Obama, Hillary, and other politicians were in favor of gay marriage from the start, but it wasn't politically adequate to express such views at the time, so they went with the civil union thingie.

But regarding TPP, it's what Yi says - she changed her tune during a Democrat primary. It was pretty transparent she said that to protect herself from attacks from the left, while running against a left-leaning rival that was climbing in the polls.

I don't know about that.

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/09/bill-clinton-cautioned-that-hillarys-discomfort-around-gay-issues-would-hurt-her-political-ambitions/

Bill Clinton warned a close friend in 2000 that Hillary's New York Senate run could suffer because she was not "comfortable around gay people who were kind of acting out, or pushing her to the limit," and that she had a "general discomfort" around gay rights issues.

That close friend, as it happens, was author and historian Taylor Branch, who conducted dozens of late-night interviews with Bill from the early '90s to 2000 to write a book chronicling the Clinton White House.

[Eddie Teach]

In the introduction to his polling memo, Luntz dubs young Americans "the Snapchat Generation," which indicates that he is very, very old.

Perhaps. Also indicates that Jon Schwarz is a bit of a douche.

[dps]

I think some of this dislike wouldn't exist if everything stayed the same except she were male

If she were male, no one would have ever heard of her outside of Illinois, 'cause then she wouldn't have been married to Bill, and she(well, he) would be a successful but obscure lawyer in Chicago.

[garbon]

[grumbler]

I think some of this dislike wouldn't exist if everything stayed the same except she were male

If she were male, no one would have ever heard of her outside of Illinois, 'cause then she wouldn't have been married to Bill, and she(well, he) would be a successful but obscure lawyer in Chicago.

Too true!  The idea that a Chicago lawyer could get elected President of the United States without having been married  to a previous president is obviously absurd!  It has never happpened.

[DGuller]

 

[Eddie Teach]

Hillary might have made a good whip or even speaker by himself, but doesn't have the on camera presence for the White House.

[Razgovory]

I think some of this dislike wouldn't exist if everything stayed the same except she were male

If she were male, no one would have ever heard of her outside of Illinois, 'cause then she wouldn't have been married to Bill, and she(well, he) would be a successful but obscure lawyer in Chicago.

Well that and the Watergate thing.

[Monoriu]

Hillary might have made a good whip or even speaker by himself, but doesn't have the on camera presence for the White House.

You prefer Trump instead?