Facebook Follies of Friends and Families

[Martinus]

Yeah, it's the case of slowly boiling a frog, especially in a democracy. Unless the fascist side is stupid enough to try to do a coup over night, it is very difficult to gauge when it is still too early (and you are hindering a democratically elected government) and when it becomes too late and you get shipped off to Auschwitz. It does not help to have media and Timmays of the world who like to keep people anxious.

It's not that difficult to see for the rest of us. But you were the one who embraced the fascist in this election.

I still don't think he is a fascist. That's the problem. Half of the people of the US support him. I know some of them. Some of them are intelligent, non-fascist people. Dismissing them as fascist supporters is really unhealthy for any future of the US - unless they turn out to be - which we really do not know yet.

That's the problem with your preemptive fascist attitude - if Trump is not really a fascist, you are the one destroying the democratic system.

[Valmy]

That's the problem with your preemptive fascist attitude - if Trump is not really a fascist, you are the one destroying the democratic system.

Yeah only a true enemy of democracy would recommend a second amendment solution.

[Eddie Teach]

The Second Amendment does not give the right to assassinate political candidates.

[Valmy]

The Second Amendment does not give the right to assassinate political candidates.

Yes...see it was a joke. I was referring to a previous statement made by Trump. Get it?

[Zanza]

unless they turn out to be - which we really do not know yet.

That's the problem with your preemptive fascist attitude - if Trump is not really a fascist, you are the one destroying the democratic system.

Understood and I would probably argue the same if I didn't come from the German context that has influenced my political views. The lesson we got from the failure of the Weimar Republic is that you have to act preemptively against the enemies of democracy. You can't adopt a wait and see policy. That said, I would leave it to people who are better qualified to determine whether someone is an enemy of our liberal-democratic order or not. In our cases constitutional court judges.
I know that no such mechanism exists in America as they value freedom of speech higher than just about anything else. I can understand that, but it didn't work for us in the past, so I have come embrace our "militant democracy", which is an anathema to most Americans. Every country has its own traditions, so I hope it works out well for them and their republic is strong enough to not fall victim to fascists.

[Razgovory]

"the Jews" were divided across many different countries and many different regions, had different social classes and backgrounds, and did not organize themselves as a single body, Protocols notwithstanding.

So I guess his point is that we should knock down national boundaries and encourage ethnic and religious minorities to emphasize their own identities and organize transational militias??

I think the "argument" is that if you know you're going to be hauled off to a death camp you should fight, kicking and screaming, every step of the way.

Problem is I don't know that was necessarily true - Jews knew they were being rounded up, but not their ultimate fate.  And that being the case there's definitely a strong argument to be made for trying to survive and fight another day.

And really would it make a difference?  It's not like this strategy helped the Indians.

[Valmy]

And really would it make a difference?  It's not like this strategy helped the Indians.

Well the largest surviving nation is the Cherokee and they accommodated so yeah.

And come to think of it that was also how the Jews weathered the storm in Europe for so long.

[Ed Anger]

(((Jews)))

Type it right, n00bs.

[Syt]

[Valmy]

[CountDeMoney]

Christ, Syt...I'm so sorry.

[garbon]

[Syt]

Christ, Syt...I'm so sorry.

Meh, they're white trash. And I don't think they consider their positions well. "I'm a nurse, and I hate Obamacare. Also, here's a crowdfunding campaign for my knee surgery, because I don't have the $2,000."

[CountDeMoney]

  why would a nurse care about Obamacare

[Syt]

why would a nurse care about Obamacare

It's more about the (to European eyes) weird situation of working as a nurse in a hospital, but having only minimal medical coverage.