Climate Change/Mass Extinction Megathread

[Eddie Teach]

But sarcastic in this case.

[Sheilbh]

It makes a great deal more sense.

"New Deal" has overtones of 'make-work for the sake of paying people who would otherwise be unemployed', as that is mainly what people remember that era for. This creates the unfortunate impression that green proposals are basically 'make-work'. Which is far from the truth.

Yeah - I think "Moon-Shot" would be better for the US.

"The War on Climate".

Actually year - war on carbon, war on climate change. But I think the rhetoric of war as a unifying motivating factor is dead now. Mainly because of all the actual war.

[mongers]

It makes a great deal more sense.

"New Deal" has overtones of 'make-work for the sake of paying people who would otherwise be unemployed', as that is mainly what people remember that era for. This creates the unfortunate impression that green proposals are basically 'make-work'. Which is far from the truth.

Yeah - I think "Moon-Shot" would be better for the US.

"The War on Climate".

Actually year - war on carbon, war on climate change. But I think the rhetoric of war as a unifying motivating factor is dead now. Mainly because of all the actual war.

So what about this instead:

Peace On Climate

[Legbiter]

The lowest hanging fruit will be China and India switching this century to the new generation, smaller, modular nuclear reactors instead of coal. The rest is tinkering at the edges. Britain and Canada for instance aren't even rounding errors compared to China.

[Valmy]

The lowest hanging fruit will be China and India switching this century to the new generation, smaller, modular nuclear reactors instead of coal. The rest is tinkering at the edges. Britain and Canada for instance aren't even rounding errors compared to China.

Well building new coal generation plants is a real problem. Those things cost millions to build, they are not just going to shut down new generation in a few years.

[Syt]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2019/12/arctic/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=twitter::cmp=editorial::add=tw20191204science-arcticconsequences::rid=&sf225332291=1

Warming at the poles will soon be felt globally in rising seas, extreme weather

Ice loss, permafrost thaw, fires: Trouble in the Arctic and Antarctic could cause shocks to the world's weather and sea levels sooner than thought, says a new study.

ERIC POST HAS observed seasons at the same location on the West Greenland tundra for 26 years. Over that time, he's seen profound changes. When he first started working there, hundreds of caribou covered the hills. Now, he says, the herd is down to around 90.

"You find yourself thinking they'll be back next spring; numbers will go up again," Post says, "but year after year goes by and the big groups just aren't there the way they used to be."

As Earth trudges steadily toward a dangerously warm future, a new report on the outlook for the polar regions says the Arctic is already there—with consequences on the horizon for everyone.

"There is a real possibility that we will be entering a phase of accelerated Arctic warming in the next two to four decades if mitigation action isn't taken soon," says Post, a climate change ecologist at the University of California, Davis.

Post is lead author of the report published today in Science Advances, in which an international group of scientists looks at current and future impacts of polar warming across a range of disciplines.

The Arctic is warming far more quickly than anywhere else on the planet. Temperatures climbed nearly 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit (1 Celsius) in the past decade alone. At the current rate of greenhouse gas emissions, the North is on track to warm 7.2 F (4 C) year-round—and top 12.6 F (7 C) in autumns—by the middle of this century, according to the report. That's about when the planet as a whole is projected to reach the 3.6 F (2 C) warming often cited as the threshold for disastrous impacts.

Already, the High North is seeing unprecedented changes, including drastic ice losses on land and sea, galloping permafrost thaw, raging wildfires, unseasonal storms, earlier springs, and more. Summer sea ice this year shrank to its second lowest extent since satellite measurements began in 1979, while record July heat melted billions of tons of ice off the Greenland ice sheet. Wildfires blazed across millions of acres from Alaska to Siberia.

"Consequences of recent Arctic warming have already been widespread and pronounced, and yet we haven't even seen what's expected to be the most rapid phase of warming," Post says.

While both the Arctic and Antarctic are experiencing rising temperatures, thinning glaciers, disturbed ecosystems, and other alarming shifts as heat-trapping fossil fuel emissions build up, changes are sweeping the northern region far faster. The impacts of a warming Arctic will be felt well beyond the high latitudes in the near future, the report warns.

Sea ice losses

One of scientists' top concerns as the planet warms is the loss of Arctic sea ice. Summer sea ice, which has been shrinking more than 10 percent a decade over the past 40 years, is projected to essentially disappear within 20 to 25 years at the current emissions rate. Some put it even sooner.

Co-author Julienne Stroeve, a specialist in remote sensing of the polar regions with the University of Manitoba in Canada and the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colorado, thinks Arctic warming may already have pushed summer sea ice past its threshold.

"I know it's a dangerous thing to say," says Stroeve, "but at this point, regardless of what we commit to with CO2 reductions, and the warming that we try to limit things to... we will likely see ice-free summers emerging."

Her latest work suggests that Arctic sea ice is now shrinking faster than most current climate models project. That ice loss fuels Arctic amplification—the force that's speeding up northern warming. As the ocean's protective lid thaws, more sunlight enters the water, causing more warming, leading to yet more ice loss, in a feedback spiral.

Peeling back that ice cover could also unleash more extreme weather on the Northern Hemisphere's mid-latitudes, including droughts, floods, and heatwaves. Although a topic of current debate among scientists, some studies suggest Arctic warming makes the jet stream weaker and wavier, letting cold polar air reach further south and warm air stretch north.

"The accelerated Arctic warming impacts weather down here in the lower 48 and around the entire Northern Hemisphere by changing the temperature contrast between mid and high latitudes," explains co-author Michael Mann, a Pennsylvania State University atmospheric scientist.

"That temperature contrast is responsible for the existence of the jet stream, and when it decreases, the jet stream tends to slow down and weather systems linger longer in the same location," he says.

Mann says the phenomenon has been linked with relentless hot spells like the ones that baked Europe this summer, and brutal cold snaps like the recent "Arctic blast" that froze the eastern and midwestern United States.

Rising concerns

Sea-level rise is another looming concern. Arctic land ice—particularly the vast ice sheet atop Greenland—is thawing faster than current climate models suggest, and could raise sea levels substantially more than the 3 feet projected by the end of the century in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report released in September.

Arctic permafrost thaw is also escalating, releasing the potent greenhouse gas methane and spiking atmospheric levels, with profound global warming effects.

Another recent study projects Arctic wildfire intensity doubling each year as thawing ground dries out.

Meanwhile, warming is already knocking the Arctic's seasonal clock off-kilter. Spring plant growth is coming earlier and earlier, meaning tundra animals like the caribou at Post's Greenland research site arrive at their annual birthing grounds after the plants they eat have passed their nutritional peak. Flowers open before the insects that pollinate them can get there, and migrating birds miss the spring flush. The shifts are accelerating, the report says, and in future could exceed ecosystems' ability to adapt.

Arctic warming also stands to disrupt the marine food web, increase mortality for polar bears and seals, and threaten the livelihoods of the region's indigenous people. One bright note in the outlook: So far whales seem to be benefitting from range expansion as sea ice recedes.

The Antarctic is not the Arctic

While temperatures are surging in the Arctic—by century's end, they could soar as much as 23.4 F (13 C) during parts of the year, according to the report—Antarctic warming has been similar to the global average, although some parts are warming much faster.

Both polar regions are changing, says co-author Richard Alley, a Penn State glaciologist and Antarctica specialist. "But it's not as simple as they all do the same thing. The Arctic is not the Antarctic and the Antarctic is not the Arctic."

Antarctica is surrounded by the vast Southern Ocean, which is soaking up much of the atmosphere's excess heat. "And if it goes into the ocean," says Alley, "then it's not staying in the air."

Like the Arctic, ice on the southernmost continent is also being eaten away by warming. Major glaciers—most notably the Florida-sized Thwaites—are rapidly retreating, while the floating ice shelves that hold them in place are thinning above and below. Those trends worry scientists.

"Warming of the air or ocean can weaken the ice shelves, and beyond some threshold, they tend to break off," says Alley.

If ice shelves in West Antarctica failed, and the Thwaites and other glaciers collapsed, sea levels could rise an additional foot or more by 2100—and a whopping 10 feet or more in the following century if irreversible glacier loss tipping points are crossed.

"That's the thing that that really worries us with West Antarctica," says Alley. "A reasonably small difference in how things evolve could end up making a really big difference in what happens with sea levels."

Antarctic sea ice has waxed and waned. The past two years, however, have seen record autumn lows. Moreover, the warming Southern Ocean could provide a route for invasive species and diseases to reach the isolated continent. And Antarctica's penguins, some of which are already having to shift their ranges as coastal conditions change, may face widespread displacement in future. The iconic emperor penguins could all but vanish by the end of the century, another new report projects.

The polar outlook is a "generally solid assessment of the changes and how they depend on these emissions scenarios," says University of Alaska-Fairbanks atmospheric scientist John Walsh, who was not involved with the study. "The article makes the point that even with the low emissions scenario—and a 2 degrees C warmer world is down at the low end of the emissions scenario spectrum—the Arctic is a changed place."

Cutting fossil fuel emissions can lower or delay Arctic warming by several decades, the authors say.

"In a way, the Arctic is speaking to us," say Post. "The question is whether we are listening."

[Savonarola]

CB and I saw a lecture last night on coral reefs last night; put on by a researcher at the local university.  While most of the news concerning coral reefs has been bad; he pointed out a couple bright spots.  Both deep water reefs (below 30 m) and reefs near thermal vents (such as those in Papua New Guinea) have, thus far, not been experienced bleaching.  (The former may be significant as it's unknown how extensive the deep water reefs are.)  He also spoke about his the reefs near his home town of Eilat (on the gulf of Aqaba) were restored from almost complete devastation to their 1960s levels after commercial fisheries were banned by both Israel and Jordan in 2008.

One problem that he did mention was the increased acidity of the oceans.  Carbon is washed from the atmosphere by rainwater creating carbonic acid.  (This is part of the carbon cycle and has helped regulate temperatures on earth even before the emergence of life.)    While carbonic acid is mild; in the abundance that it's produced by our industrialized world it has started increasing ocean acidity.  He speculated that if CO2 production continues to grow at its present rate coral reefs (as well as mollusks) may diminish in number.

[PDH]

But what effect will that have on Trump's properties NOW?

[mongers]

CB and I saw a lecture last night on coral reefs last night; put on by a researcher at the local university.  While most of the news concerning coral reefs has been bad; he pointed out a couple bright spots.  Both deep water reefs (below 30 m) and reefs near thermal vents (such as those in Papua New Guinea) have, thus far, not been experienced bleaching.  (The former may be significant as it's unknown how extensive the deep water reefs are.)  He also spoke about his the reefs near his home town of Eilat (on the gulf of Aqaba) were restored from almost complete devastation to their 1960s levels after commercial fisheries were banned by both Israel and Jordan in 2008.

One problem that he did mention was the increased acidity of the oceans.  Carbon is washed from the atmosphere by rainwater creating carbonic acid.  (This is part of the carbon cycle and has helped regulate temperatures on earth even before the emergence of life.)    While carbonic acid is mild; in the abundance that it's produced by our industrialized world it has started increasing ocean acidity.  He speculated that if CO2 production continues to grow at its present rate coral reefs (as well as mollusks) may diminish in number.

Interesting.

Though it's not just a problem, maybe it's even The problem?

A friend of mine is an climate scientist specializing in oceanographic stuff and his Big concern ocean acidification. 

[crazy canuck]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/13/ocean-temperatures-hit-record-high-as-rate-of-heating-accelerates

The heating of the oceans is accelerating. 

The results show heat increasing at an accelerating rate as greenhouse gases accumulate in the atmosphere. The rate from 1987 to 2019 is four and a half times faster than that from 1955 to 1986. The vast majority of oceans regions are showing an increase in thermal energy.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGeb-irMs4w

Greta doing her Greta thing at Davos.  Doesn't sound at all autistic to me.  Also sounds full of herself. 

[crazy canuck]

Are you suggesting she is not autistic?

[Grey Fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGeb-irMs4w

Greta doing her Greta thing at Davos.  Doesn't sound at all autistic to me.  Also sounds full of herself.

That's just because you are used to her way of speaking nowadays. Also, she's 17. 17 years old are full of themself.

[mongers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGeb-irMs4w

Greta doing her Greta thing at Davos.  Doesn't sound at all autistic to me.  Also sounds full of herself.

That's an 'accusation' you could make of nearly everyone on this board; people with opinions tend to sound opinionated!

[Admiral Yi]

That's an 'accusation' you could make of nearly everyone on this board; people with opinions tend to sound opinionated!

I was responding to her implied belief that concern about climate change and the response to it started with her speech at the UN.