Climate Change/Mass Extinction Megathread

[Tamas]

I guess just not travelling so far for such a mundane reason is out of the question, right? Let's protest that everyone changes their life dramatically, but not me because my family is divided by the Atlantic so I cannot possibly be inconvenienced.

Are you supporting taxing intercontinental flights taken for the purpose of protesting climate change?

I do not support any policy which has as its sole aim an attempt to reverse the global technological and societal progress of the last twenty years. The way to solve the climate crisis is to move the world closer together and more interconnected, NOT trying to undo globalism.

[Sheilbh]

Also, do the climate protesters have some easily definable demand? The whole civil disobedience thing is a good idea, but I think it helps greatly when the goal can be defined more accurately than "let's fix global climate somehow" Like "Brits out of India". That was easy to define

XR is net zero by 2025.

Plus citizens assemblies, which have delivered change in Ireland. But I think the idea that they will lead to radical climate action rather than, say, introducing hanging for paedos strikes me as optimistic.

[Tamas]

Yeah, direct democracy has ALMOST gotten us an independent Scotland (will do so next year, still) and has brought Brexit. I wouldn't put much hope in it sorting climate change out.

[Sheilbh]

Citizens assemblies aren't direct democracy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens%27_Assembly_(Ireland)

Now I don't think they're a panacea, but I do think they're kind of interesting.

And the Irish ones on abortion (the eighth amendment) were apparently quite cathartic too.

[garbon]

And extinction rebellion has turned to targeting DLR and the Tube again...

[garbon]

Member of XR was pulled from top of train by members of the public furious at Canning Town.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Looks like they got a bit of a kicking to me. Luckily there seemed to be a couple of women who succeeded in calming things down.

[garbon]

I wonder why they decided it would be good to disrupt commuters in East London.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Yeah, Canning Town first thing in the morning; let's have a couple of middle class twats make the minimum wage workforce's life even worse 

Get yourself down to Westminster and the City you stupid bastards 

[garbon]

And while XR takes on the East, the police spend their third day lounging in Trafalgar Square.

[Tamas]

The train altercation:

https://youtu.be/wzuZ_I3MPTA

[Richard Hakluyt]

Apparently, "......an internal poll of XR members, shared with the Guardian, showed 72% opposed action on London's underground network under any circumstances."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/17/extinction-rebellion-activists-london-underground

[Tamas]

Apparently, "......an internal poll of XR members, shared with the Guardian, showed 72% opposed action on London's underground network under any circumstances."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/17/extinction-rebellion-activists-london-underground

I bet that guy thought he'd be celebrated as a hero. "Yay, I get to be late from my zero-hour contract, to save the planet!"

[Syt]

Good summary of the debate in Germany:



From left to right:
"No wind turbines in our forest!"
"Stop Coal Now! Save our climate and future!"
"Nuclear Power? No thanks!"

I guess that leaves solar, gas and hydro ... 

[mongers]

Yeah, Canning Town first thing in the morning; let's have a couple of middle class twats make the minimum wage workforce's life even worse 

Get yourself down to Westminster and the City you stupid bastards 

If people against climate change action wanted a way to discredit the XR movement, this would be a very good way of doing it.