Catalan 'independence declaration' to trigger showdown with Madrid

[Valmy]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

Yes. What is your point?

[Tamas]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

Yes. What is your point?

My point is, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Razgovory]

Pretty much every country MS named is a shithole.  In fact, we get a lot of immigrants from these countries, so the whole obviously not everyone in those countries is on board with the nationalism thing.

Many immigrants are very nationalist about the countries they come from. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

Cause they left their nations.  In the US we've had lots of people who left their nations and then waged war on them.

[Malthus]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

May I suggest message-board patriotism?   

[frunk]

May I suggest message-board patriotism?   

Let 'em all go to hell, except Cave 76!

[Valmy]

Let 'em all go to hell, except Cave 76!

[Tamas]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

May I suggest message-board patriotism?   

[celedhring]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

May I suggest message-board patriotism?   

Languish needs a national anthem.

[Ed Anger]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

May I suggest message-board patriotism?   

Languish needs a national anthem.

"Fish Heads" by Barnes and Barnes.

[viper37]

The second. The term nation state does not require the state to be ethnically based.

Ok then if it doesn't then please provide me with a term that does so we can discuss the same thing.

I was told that a 'nation' was a political expression of an ethnic group in this context.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

[Valmy]

When I was a history student, studying 19th century history, that was the terminology we used. So when I say 'nation' or 'nationalism' I am talking about the political expression of an ethnic group. If there is another word you people want me to use just tell me what it is.

[Razgovory]

The second. The term nation state does not require the state to be ethnically based.

Ok then if it doesn't then please provide me with a term that does so we can discuss the same thing.

I was told that a 'nation' was a political expression of an ethnic group in this context.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

Unlike Canada we are not intimidated by the pre-modern doctrine of using the French language espoused by the terrorist FLQ so take your goddamn pig Latin elsewhere.

[11B4V]

I thought Catalan was a Euro game with no panzers.

[Duque de Bragança]

When I was a history student, studying 19th century history, that was the terminology we used. So when I say 'nation' or 'nationalism' I am talking about the political expression of an ethnic group. If there is another word you people want me to use just tell me what it is.

That's the German vision of nation, before self-loathing and self-flagellation became the norm. There is another one by Renan, one you ought to know, as a Francophile:

Definition of nationhood[edit]
Renan's definition of a nation has been extremely influential. This was given in his 1882 discourse Qu'est-ce qu'une nation? ("What is a Nation?"). Whereas German writers like Fichte had defined the nation by objective criteria such as a race or an ethnic group "sharing common characteristics" (language, etc.), Renan defined it by the desire of a people to live together, which he summarized by a famous phrase, "avoir fait de grandes choses ensemble, vouloir en faire encore" (having done great things together and wishing to do more). Writing in the midst of the dispute concerning the Alsace-Lorraine region, he declared that the existence of a nation was based on a "daily plebiscite." Some authors criticize that definition, based on a "daily plebiscite", because of the ambiguity of the concept. They argue that this definition is an idealization and it should be interpreted within the German tradition and not in opposition to it. They say that the arguments used by Renan at the conference What is a Nation? are not consistent with his thinking.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Renan#Definition_of_nationhood

More detailed in French wikipedia

Dans cette conférence prononcée le 11 mars 1882, Renan se positionne contre une vision allemande de la nation, dans le contexte de la défaite de 1870 et de l'annexion par l'Empire allemand de l'Alsace-Lorraine. Il formule l'idée qu'une nation repose à la fois sur un héritage passé, qu'il s'agit d'honorer, et sur la volonté présente de le perpétuer.

« Une nation est une âme, un principe spirituel. Deux choses qui, à vrai dire, n'en font qu'une, constituent cette âme, ce principe spirituel. L'une est dans le passé, l'autre dans le présent. L'une est la possession en commun d'un riche legs de souvenirs ; l'autre est le consentement actuel, le désir de vivre ensemble, la volonté de continuer à faire valoir l'héritage qu'on a reçu indivis. »

Ce texte est devenu l'emblème d'une conception française de la nation, basée sur la volonté d'une population de former une nation, par opposition à une conception allemande contemporaine censée être beaucoup plus essentialiste (fondée sur la culture, la langue, la religion comme la race).

« L'homme n'est esclave ni de sa race, ni de sa langue, ni de sa religion, ni du cours des fleuves, ni de la direction des chaînes de montagnes. Une grande agrégation d'hommes, saine d'esprit et chaude de cœur, crée une conscience morale qui s'appelle une nation. »

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%27est-ce_qu%27une_nation_%3F

[garbon]

Its irrelevant. If nation states start to fade, there will be another mobilisation-mechanic to manipulate the masses with. Just like how nationalism came forward when the cohesive force of religion started to fade.

May I suggest message-board patriotism?   

Languish needs a national anthem.

"Fish Heads" by Barnes and Barnes.

Ahem.

Frank Carter & The Rattlesnakes - I Hate You

You are nothing
You are nothing to me
You're a useless fucking cunt
You are nothing to me

I don't ever wanna feel like anything I do
Ever had a fucking resonance or meant a thing to you
I fucking hate you
Yeah I hate you

[Chorus]
And I wish you would die
It makes me violently angry when I see you alive
You're a fucking mistake, You're an embarresmant mate
You think you're funny and you're clever but you're just a disgrace

I wanna hit you with the force of an asteroid from space
I wanna fall out of the sky right into your stupid face
I wanna smash you like extinction as if you life was just a waste
I wanna be a fucking dagger right between your shoulder blades
I fucking hate you
Oh I hate you

[Chorus]

I hate you
And I wish you would die [x3]

I fucking hate you

[Chorus]

I fucking hate you
I hate you
I fucking hate you
I fucking hate you
Yes I do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EqtY_VbD8I