EU Immigration Crisis Megathread

[Tamas]

So Croatia is already mentioning a possible close of her borders.

They have received 9200 migrants in 24 hours and they can't handle them.

[Zanza]

Merkel should never have raised their expectations with her "we welcome you all" bs. The whole business needs proper regulation and adherence to the rule of law, otherwise a tragedy will be inevitable.

Wasn't her "we welcome you" in reaction to an ongoing tragedy in Hungary and along the way from the Middle East?

No. It was what triggered the impatience of the migrants. They were quite content to suffer through Hungarian ineptitude until that.

Fair enough. I can see that.

[Liep]

So Croatia is already mentioning a possible close of her borders.

They have received 9200 migrants in 24 hours and they can't handle them.

I can understand that considering Denmark almost broke into a civil war after 1500 refugees came here in one week.

[Zanza]

Munich also had 20000 refugees in one weekend and didn't break down.

[Tamas]

Munich also had 20000 refugees in one weekend and didn't break down.

Did close its doors though didnt it

[Zanza]

Only temporarily to allow the creation of a more orderly process.

Just read a funny anecdote. The Bundesbank wanted to give some of its unused real estate to house refugees. That's not allowed though as it would directly financing the government, which is against Buba regulations. The  federal government now has to pay rent for these buildings. Silly Germans.

[Syt]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/17/croatia-overwhelmed-by-volume-of-refugees-crossing-from-serbia

Croatia overwhelmed by volume of refugees crossing from Serbia

On Wednesday, there were just a few tyre prints marking the the dusty farm track that leads between Šid, the last town in Serbia, and Tovarnik, the first little village in Croatia. But by Thursday afternoon, every inch of it was scored with footprints. From little childrens' feet to big size 12s – what had been a placid surface just 24 hours earlier was now being ploughed in plumes of dust by an exodus of refugees.

Few better symbolised their desperation and determination than Mokhtar Allouf, a 23-year-old Syrian who could barely walk as he crossed over the bit of farmland that marks the Croatian border, and into the European Union. Shortly afterwards, he tugged up his shirt to reveal the cause of his limp. Between his shoulder-blades was the scar from when a Syrian soldier stabbed him with a bayonet in the spine during protests in Homs in 2011. Allouf was left paralysed for six months and four years on, he can only stagger.

"We Syrians are very strong and we will keep coming, we will keeping looking for safety," Allouf said, leaning on the shoulder of his friend Ahmed. "Even if we have to walk there like this."

This farm track is the latest frontier of the biggest refugee crisis Europe has seen in seven decades. After the slow-motion car crash of the summer, which saw the crucible of the crisis gradually move from the Greek islands through the Balkans to Germany, events are now on fast-forward, with flashpoints changing on a daily basis.

On Wednesday, the bottleneck was at Horgoš on Serbia's border with Hungary, where Hungarian police fired teargas at crowds of refugees who tried to rush a border gate when they suddenly found their northward procession blocked. But by Thursday, after Serbian officials bussed thousands of people from its Hungarian border to its Croatian one, the flashpoint had moved 120 miles south west.

At first things seemed to go smoothly. People were dropped off easily enough in Šid. Then they walked through the cauldron of the late Balkans summer, and through a series of pancake-flat corn fields to find waiting trains and coaches, amid an initially warm series of media statements from Croatia's prime minister.

But in Tovarnik, as the news spread that Croatia was open and more than 5,000 people piled over the border, matters quickly unravelled. The government had not prepared enough transport for such a huge volume of people, nor enough water, and there were too few officials to provide information and direction to newcomers who had little idea of where they were.

Tempers soon frayed and, in the uncertainty and heat, hundreds of refugees rushed past police lines in a desperate effort to grab the few available places onboard trains heading north to Zagreb and Slovenia. A day after chaos unfolded at the gates of Hungary, refugees were experiencing new traumas within the gates of Croatia.

It was a scene that once again underscored the inability of European governments to comprehend and prepare for the continent's biggest wave of mass migration since the second world war. On Wednesday, Croatia's prime minister, Zoran Milanović, had optimistically declared the country was "ready to accept and direct those people". But by Thursday, his government had discovered that this crisis is beyond what any single country can deal with on an unplanned, unilateral basis – even with the best of intentions.

Less than 24 hours after Milanović's charitable declaration, interior minister Ranko Ostrojić backtracked. "Croatia will not be able to receive more people," Ostrojić said, claiming that an earlier promise to create a human corridor to Slovenia was in fact only a pledge to provide a much shorter passage to Zagreb, the Croatian capital.

There was another reason for refugees to be worried: landmines. Croatia has about 500 sq km (193 sq miles) of unexploded landmines spread across its territory, a leftover from the Balkan wars in the 90s. Around 2 sq km (0.7 sq miles) line the Serbia-Croatia border, said Miljenko Vahtarić, assistant director at the Croatia Mine Action Centre. They are clearly marked, and they lie some way from Šid but as thousands now scramble for the Croatian border, said Vahtarić, "there is always the possibility that somebody could enter these suspected hazardous areas and get wounded or even killed".

In the face of such uncertainty, a smattering of refugees remained camped on the Hungarian border. Kawa, a 30-year-old agricultural engineer from north-eastern Syria, reckoned it was better to wait it out at the gates of Hungary until he got word that the Croatian route worked. "After Croatia is Slovenia," Kawa said. "And we don't know what Slovenia will do."

But most simply shrugged: whatever happens, the road ahead is less dangerous than the places they have come from. Nowar Daoud, a 23-year-old archaeology student from Hasaka, north-east Syria, was one of the last to catch a bus from the Serbian border to Croatia. "We just have to have faith," Daoud said shortly before he set off. "We'll go and find out what's happening. Maybe we can cross, maybe we can't. We live in hope."

As in every conversation on this refugee route, Daoud and his friends said that ultimately nothing will stop people fleeing the horrors of war. Halaz Shekhmous, an 18-year-old high school student travelling with Daoud and her brothers, summed things up: "We're not afraid of anything because after Daesh" – the Arab slang term for Islamic State – "nothing scares us."

Far away to the south, just after he crossed the dusty path that leads into Croatia, 40-year-old Amjad el-Omairi lifted up his shirt to make the same point. There on both his flanks were two foot-long scars, the result he said of a car bomb in Iraq. "I just want peace," said Omairi, the owner of a lingerie shop. "And I'll keep going even if I have to cross another sea to find it."

[Syt]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/europe/hungarian-mayor-threatens-migrants-in-homemade-action-movie.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Hungarian Mayor Threatens Migrants in Homemade Action Movie

While images of Hungarian riot police officers firing tear gas and water cannons at migrants along the Serbian border on Wednesday appalled human rights activists, the mayor of one small town in the south of Hungary remains concerned that his nation might still seem too welcoming to those fleeing war or poverty.

To remedy this, Laszlo Toroczkai, an ultranationalist with a flair for the dramatic, released a personal "Message to illegal immigrants from Hungary" on Facebook and YouTube late Wednesday, threatening them with arrest and displaying his town's security hardware in a video edited in the style of a big-budget action movie.

After a simulated chase sequence filmed from the air — featuring a helicopter, a motorcycle and two burly men on horses — Mr. Toroczkai, mayor of Asotthalom, uses Google Maps to illustrate that the land route from Serbia to Germany is longer through Hungary than it is through Croatia and Slovenia. He does not mention that it is also far more mountainous.

"Hungary is a bad choice," he intones at the end of the video. "Asotthalom is the worst."

The video, which was promoted by Mr. Toroczkai's allies in the far-right Jobbik party, quickly racked up hundreds of thousands of views and admiring comments.

As Szabolcs Panyi of Hungary's Index.hu news site reported, the video was quickly remixed and mocked by Hungarian bloggers from the opposite end of the political spectrum.

Before he was elected the mayor of Asotthalom, a village of about 4,000 people near the border with Serbia, Mr. Toroczkai was well known for his extremist views as the leader of the 64 Counties Youth Movement, which calls for Hungary to reclaim the lands outside its current borders ceded after World War I.

In its online propaganda, the movement betrays a fondness for rallies in rural settings and fascist banners.

Despite his aversion to illegal border crossing, Mr. Toroczkai was beaten up by Serbian nationalists in 2008 after sneaking across the frontier to attend a rally in the Serbian province of Vojvodina, which is home to a large population of ethnic Hungarians.

It is not clear who produced his video message, but earlier this week, Mr. Toroczkai — who was once expelled from a far-right party as too radical — posted a link on Facebook to another video, "made by a friend," showing what he called "apocalyptic" scenes at the border. That video was set to music that seemed to have been borrowed from a video game or action film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgJRjy2Xc0c

And bonus for those who can access it (I can't in Austria): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_8H1U7r-P4
"A promotional film made by Hungary's far-right 64 Counties Youth Movement."

[11B4V]

Nice horses.

[Martinus]

Despite his aversion to illegal border crossing, Mr. Toroczkai was beaten up by Serbian nationalists in 2008 after sneaking across the frontier to attend a rally in the Serbian province of Vojvodina, which is home to a large population of ethnic Hungarians.

It would be funny if not for the fact that the most pathetic losers usually end up running or supporting the most murderous regimes. There must be a link somewhere.

[Tamas]

Toroczkai is a criminal, and a nazi thug.

[Tamas]

At Pelmonostor (Hungarian name, anyway) which is a village close to the Croatian-Hungarian border, Croatian side, about 2000 migrants have been put into an old army barracks.

Apparently there has been a bit of a situation developing from being unable/unwilling/too hungry to queue properly at the local grocery store. Some people wanted to cut lines by climbing through the windows and such, and this has escalated into an Afghans vs. Syrians argument that is re-flaring as soon as the police leaves the scene.

[Tamas]

The Croatian opposition is demanding sending the army on the borders. Minister of Interior says that would not be necessary at this time, but the complete stop of train traffic in the country will probably happen.

[Liep]

10000 are a fuck tonnes of people to handle logistically if they move together, especially so in small towns. It doesn't sound like much, but if you're not prepared it's basically a recipe for chaos no matter the nationality.

[Syt]

The town I grew up in (Pop. 7,800 these days) is preparing the old army barracks to accept 550 asylum seekers.

Interestingly, the place was bought after much dilly-dallying last year or so by a Syrian-born textile trader from a nearby town (he's been in German for 30+ years), who wanted to turn it into a specialist clinic for patients from the rich Gulf states. He's now rented it to the state till 2016.