The ACLU Wants the U.S. Government to Combat Sexism in Hollywood

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Brazen

Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.

Quote13 Kickass Women's Movie Roles Originally Meant for Men

By Autumn Harbison

Some of Hollywood's biggest A-listers are female, but women as a whole are vastly underrepresented in the movie industry. In 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010. To combat this trend, some women are claiming roles originally intended for men, and making them their own. (The person in charge of the space paradise in Elysium was written as a man, but was brought to life on screen by Jodie Foster.) Actresses are increasingly taking over male roles, and some of them, like the women below, have become pros at it.

1. Jodie Foster in 'Flightplan'
Before Elysium, Foster was already taking on Hollywood's boys' club. This movie was originally supposed to be about a father searching for his daughter on a plane, but as production moved forward, the director found that the setup didn't "ring true," and changed it to a mother and daughter. The character kept the original name, Kyle, despite the change in sex.

2. Angelina Jolie in 'Salt'
Salt's title character was originally named Edwin Salt, and had been created specifically for Tom Cruise. When Cruise passed on the movie, Edwin became Evelyn, and Angelina Jolie stepped into the role of an undercover Russian spy.

3. Jane Lynch in 'The 40-Year-Old Virgin'
When Nancy Walls, an actress and the wife of star Steve Carell, said there should be more women in The 40-Year-Old Virgin, the store manager role was changed from male to female, and cast with the hilarious Jane Lynch.

4. Lucy Liu in 'Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever'
The title characters in this film were both intended to be played by men, but lead Antonio Banderas suggested that Lucy Liu could improve the dynamic between the two characters. It's rumored that Wesley Snipes and Jet Li, and Vin Diesel and Sylvester Stallone were initially considered for the title roles.

5. Rosalind Russell in 'His Girl Friday'
The girl in His Girl Friday was a man in The Front Page, the play on which this movie is based. Hildy Johnson went from male to female after director Howard Hawks heard the character's lines read by a woman. Russell's portrayal of a strong female journalist is still fantastic, especially so when you consider the movie came out in 1940.

6. Helen Mirren in 'Arthur'
It takes a badass to play a role for which someone already won an Oscar. Helen Mirren is that badass. Sir John Gielgud won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his role as Hobson in the 1981's Arthur. In 2011's Arthur, Mirren's Hobson was the eponymous character's nanny. She may not have gotten an Oscar, but she did get to say "winkie" while wearing a Darth Vader mask.

7. Viola Davis in 'Ender's Game'
Audiences still have a little while to wait before they can see how Viola Davis' female version of Major Anderson compares to the male version in the book. Ender's Game comes out in theaters on November 1.

8. Dina Meyer in 'Starship Troopers'
The Dizzy Flores character in Starship Troopers transitioned from male to female on the way to the screen, and the character's role in the story was greatly expanded. He dies in the first chapter of the book, but she lasts long enough to become one of the central characters of the film.

9. Glenn Close in 'The Paper'
When Glenn Close took over the originally male role of a no-nonsense managing editor in 1994's The Paper, very little was done to change the character. Close even insisted that a fistfight in the script was left completely as written.

10. Grace Jones in 'Conan the Destroyer'
In the Conan the Barbarian comic books, Zula was the warrior prince of a tribal nation who fought for his freedom after being sold into slavery. In the movie, Zula became an androgynous female warrior, and the last of her tribe.

11. Sigourney Weaver in 'The TV Set'
In The TV Set, Sigourney Weaver played a television producer who went from male to female during the film's production. She requested that nothing about the character be changed when she took over for a male actor — including the character's obsession with whether women's breasts are real.

12. Sigourney Weaver in 'Vantage Point'
Weaver's most recent portrayal of a character originally conceived of as male was in 2008's Vantage Point, where she also played a television producer.

13. Sigourney Weaver in 'Alien'
Rounding out Weaver's hat-trick of roles is one of her most iconic performances, and arguably the greatest male-to-female character conversion ever: Ripley in Alien. In the film's DVD commentary, director Ridley Scott said that little was changed about the character when Ripley went from being a man to the woman embodied by Weaver. The female Ripley went on to be named the top female action hero and to be considered a feminist icon.

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Valmy

Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originallu destined for men.

I suppose there is something to be outraged about in every positive development.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

jimmy olsen

I find this a mind blowing stat.

QuoteIn 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010.
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Valmy

Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 13, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
I find this a mind blowing stat.

QuoteIn 2012, less than 29% of speaking roles in movies were portrayed by women. That's down from just under 33% in 2010.

Not really. It is well documented. Hollywood is pretty loathsome. If only they could get Scientologists in movies down to that level.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

I'm worried sick about this whole thing.  Couldn't sleep last night.  The knowledge that the ACLU is on the case is a comfort, though.
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garbon

Quote from: derspiess on May 13, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
I'm worried sick about this whole thing.  Couldn't sleep last night.  The knowledge that the ACLU is on the case is a comfort, though.

There, there, pobrecito. :console:
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derspiess

"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

celedhring

Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.

Quote
5. Rosalind Russell in 'His Girl Friday'
The girl in His Girl Friday was a man in The Front Page, the play on which this movie is based. Hildy Johnson went from male to female after director Howard Hawks heard the character's lines read by a woman. Russell's portrayal of a strong female journalist is still fantastic, especially so when you consider the movie came out in 1940.
First time I saw this story adapted was in "His Girl Friday", later I watched Wilder's "The Front Page" and I couldn't understand why they had changed Hildy to a guy. It just feels natural for the character to be a woman.

Kleves

Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.
That's... a pretty sad list.
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

Valmy

Quote from: Kleves on May 13, 2015, 08:58:06 AM
Quote from: Brazen on May 13, 2015, 08:08:48 AM
Not sure if its positive that awesome women actors took these roles or negative that they were even more roles originally destined for men.
That's... a pretty sad list.

In what sense?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Martinus

Speaking of which, does the last GoT episode's conversation between Sansa and Myranda pass the Bechdel test?

Edit: and also, could someone explain to me that in order for a scene to pass the Bechdel test, the characters must not talk about men during the entire scene or that they may talk about various topics, one of these at least must be not men-related.

garbon

Quote from: Martinus on May 13, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
Speaking of which, does the last GoT episode's conversation between Sansa and Myranda pass the Bechdel test?

Edit: and also, could someone explain to me that in order for a scene to pass the Bechdel test, the characters must not talk about men during the entire scene or that they may talk about various topics, one of these at least must be not men-related.

I think the test is based on the whole film - so obviously two female characters can talk about a man, but it can't be that all their interactions involve talking about them. Sex and the City would basically be a fail in every minute...:D
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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

The Minsky Moment

+ Agree with Yi that it is an odd focus for the ACLU
+ Wonder to what degree there is still fallout from Elaine May/Ishtar
+ Cimino was a man; doesn't that end the question of which gender can be trusted with a budget?   ;)
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celedhring

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 13, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
+ Cimino was a man; doesn't that end the question of which gender can be trusted with a budget?   ;)

Largest financial flop in film history had a female lead though.

Fun fact, the producer of Heaven's Gate was one of my teachers at Columbia. He told some pretty fascinating tales about the whole fracas.