Neat Net Neutrality News

[Siege]

Unless I'm mistaken, virtually everyone has a choice of getting internet through the phone line or the cable line.  So not a monopoly.

You're right.

Actually it doesn't really make sense to call them a "phone line" and a "cable line" anymore.  I can get a complete bundle of phone/tv/internet from either service provider.  The fact that one originally started as a phone company, and the other started as a cable company, is merely a part of the historical record at this point.

But then what we have is a duopoly.  The competitive spirit between the two of them doesn't seem terribly high from this one customer's perspective.

Price fixing is what happens when a market is dominated by a company.
Has anyone come with an equation to project price fixing?

[Research Question]
What percentage of a market has to be controlled by one company for price fixing and price immitation to occur?

[crazy canuck]

How do you think Wifi works?

magic.

Travels over ley lines.

You realize that GF is likely to believe you guys, right?

Wifi is not a different network.

[grumbler]

How do you think Wifi works?

magic.

Travels over ley lines.

You realize that GF is likely to believe you guys, right?

Wifi is not a different network.

Exactly.

[The Minsky Moment]

Price fixing is what happens when a market is dominated by a company.
Has anyone come with an equation to project price fixing?

[Research Question]
What percentage of a market has to be controlled by one company for price fixing and price immitation to occur?

See:
http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/guidelines/hhi.html

[The Minsky Moment]

There are a lot of strong views about NN but it seems to me a very complicated and fact-dependent and intensive issue.  It does seem to me a priori that a NN rule might inhibit efficient bargaining.  The competition concerns seem rather inchoate but the problem is that in the absence of a NN it might be difficult to monitor impact.  Really not sure how I come out on this one.

[jimmy olsen]

Wonder how many years this will be in the court?

http://www.cnet.com/news/fccs-net-neutrality-rules-hit-federal-register-lawsuit-underway/

Net neutrality rules get published -- let the lawsuits begin

Now that the FCC's new rules have been published in the Federal Register, a 60-day clock has started for them to take effect. That is, unless USTelecom can stop that.

by  Don Reisinger 

  @donreisinger 
/April 13, 2015 1:52 PM PDT

The Federal Communications Commission's rules for a free and open Internet were published Monday in the Federal Register, putting them one step closer to reality -- and officially subject to lawsuits.

The publication of the 400-page Net neutrality order in the federal government's journal of regulations starts a 60-day clock before it takes effect (on June 12). But it also means companies can officially take the FCC to court over the rules. And they didn't waste any time.

Under the new rules -- approved by the FCC in February and then released to the public in March -- Internet service providers like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast are not allowed to block lawful content, slow down applications or services, or accept fees for favored treatment. The rules essentially provide a framework for all Internet traffic to be treated equally. To do so, the FCC has reclassified broadband in a way that places providers under the same strict regulations that now govern telephone networks.

That reclassification hasn't gone down well with broadband providers, who say it could give the FCC authority to set rates and impose tariffs that could translate into higher fees to consumers, stifle innovation and discourage companies from building new broadband networks and improving existing ones.

USTelecom, a consortium of ISPs, had announced after the new rules were approved that it would file an injunction against them, arguing that they are "arbitrary, capricious and an abuse of discretion," and violate federal law. Just minutes after the rules were published Monday in the Federal Register, USTelecom filed its suit.

If a court decides USTelecom's suit holds water, it could block the rules from taking effect, resulting in a protracted legal mess. Other lawsuits are also expected to be filed in the coming weeks.

The FCC, for its part, is keeping a confident face: "As Chairman Wheeler has said, we are confident the FCC's new Open Internet rules will be upheld by the courts, ensuring enforceable protections for consumers and innovators online," an agency spokeswoman said.

[Siege]

There are a lot of strong views about NN but it seems to me a very complicated and fact-dependent and intensive issue.  It does seem to me a priori that a NN rule might inhibit efficient bargaining.  The competition concerns seem rather inchoate but the problem is that in the absence of a NN it might be difficult to monitor impact.  Really not sure how I come out on this one.

Don't lie. You hate free market capitalism, so we all know where you come out on this one, to the far left of Raz, if such a thing is possible.

[Siege]

[Eddie Teach]

Don't lie. You hate free market capitalism, so we all know where you come out on this one, to the far left of Raz, if such a thing is possible.

He's actually pretty moderate. For instance, he expects the invisible hand will continue creating enough good jobs to go around.