11 dead in French satirical magazine shooting

Started by Brazen, January 07, 2015, 06:49:08 AM

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The Brain

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Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Siege on January 08, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on January 07, 2015, 03:54:26 PM
Compañero is more like partner, mate or companion than comrade which exists in Spanish as camarada as well.

Your Sefaradi-Judeo-Castillian connection is getting weaker and weaker, compañero.  :contract:

Whoa, whoa, slow down. My command of the Iberian languages is unmatched even in the Academia Real.
Companero and camarado are synonyms.
And so is companera and camarada, in the female gender.

Companero  camarado (sic) do not exist, I'll concede that the ñ is too hard to type for you but not camarado (sic).

Real Academia not Academia Real  :D Btw, they only deal with Castillian, not other Iberian languages.
As for being synonyms, perfect synonyms are quite rare e.g compare, according to the Real Academia

http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=camarada

Quotecamarada.
(De cámara, por dormir en un mismo aposento).
1. com. Persona que acompaña a otra y come y vive con ella.
2. com. Persona que anda en compañía con otras, tratándose con amistad y confianza.
3. com. En ciertos partidos políticos y sindicatos, correligionario o compañero.
4. f. Compañía o junta de camaradas.
5. f. ant. batería (‖ conjunto de piezas de artillería).
6. f. ant. batería (‖ fortificación para poner a cubierto piezas de artillería).

Quotecompañero, ra.
(De compaña).
1. m. y f. Persona que se acompaña con otra para algún fin.
2. m. y f. Cada uno de los individuos de que se compone un cuerpo o una comunidad, como un cabildo, un colegio, etc.
3. m. y f. En varios juegos, cada uno de los jugadores que se unen y ayudan contra los otros.
4. m. y f. Persona que tiene o corre una misma suerte o fortuna con otra.
5. m. y f. Cosa que hace juego o tiene correspondencia con otra u otras.
6. m. y f. coloq. Persona con la que se convive maritalmente.

Exec sum, you suck at languages, maybe it's the first step to becoming a real American for you, much to the chagrin of Comte Largent. I never thought Chineses spies would suck that much :(
You're like Grey Fox now, but he does not spy at least.

Jacob

I don't recall Duque de Bragança being so feisty previously :cheers:

dps

Quote from: The Brain on January 08, 2015, 05:07:23 PM
Christians from the Middle East live in large numbers in Sweden. And yet people who make satirical Jesus-drawings and similar don't routinely face violence and death. So I hardly think poverty and ghetto living make terrorist acts happen.

While your immigrant community may not be in the best economic or social situation, I would guess (and I'll admit it's just a guess) that they are getting a better deal from Sweden than France's immigrant community gets from France.

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The Brain

Quote from: dps on January 08, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 08, 2015, 05:07:23 PM
Christians from the Middle East live in large numbers in Sweden. And yet people who make satirical Jesus-drawings and similar don't routinely face violence and death. So I hardly think poverty and ghetto living make terrorist acts happen.

While your immigrant community may not be in the best economic or social situation, I would guess (and I'll admit it's just a guess) that they are getting a better deal from Sweden than France's immigrant community gets from France.

What does it matter? Swedish Muslims attack and attempt to murder Swedish cartoonists who draw Mohammed.

Edit: Dammit!
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Malthus

The issue, though, is not poverty alone (or even poverty plus living in a ghetto) - it is poverty plus a sense of seperation from and antagonism with the majority society, that makes for a population more willing to listen to ideological radicals.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Malthus on January 08, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
The issue, though, is not poverty alone (or even poverty plus living in a ghetto) - it is poverty plus a sense of seperation from and antagonism with the majority society, that makes for a population more willing to listen to ideological radicals.

This doesn't explain the Saudi 9/11 hijackers, or Osama bin Laden.

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 08, 2015, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 08, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
The issue, though, is not poverty alone (or even poverty plus living in a ghetto) - it is poverty plus a sense of seperation from and antagonism with the majority society, that makes for a population more willing to listen to ideological radicals.

This doesn't explain the Saudi 9/11 hijackers, or Osama bin Laden.

It seems like alienation is a pretty good explanation for those guys as well, though, even if did not spring from the ghettos.

derspiess

Psst, Siege-- use compay and see what he does with that.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Jacob on January 08, 2015, 05:24:31 PM
I don't recall Duque de Bragança being so feisty previously :cheers:

He got tired of Malthus constantly putting down the French.  :mad:
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garbon

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 08, 2015, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 08, 2015, 05:24:31 PM
I don't recall Duque de Bragança being so feisty previously :cheers:

He got tired of Malthus constantly putting down the French.  :mad:

Why does Malthus hate French-speakers so much?
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DGuller

Quote from: Jacob on January 08, 2015, 05:34:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 08, 2015, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 08, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
The issue, though, is not poverty alone (or even poverty plus living in a ghetto) - it is poverty plus a sense of seperation from and antagonism with the majority society, that makes for a population more willing to listen to ideological radicals.

This doesn't explain the Saudi 9/11 hijackers, or Osama bin Laden.

It seems like alienation is a pretty good explanation for those guys as well, though, even if did not spring from the ghettos.
I don't know about that.  Where exactly did they get alienated?  It wasn't in US, they already came to US with a mission.

Malthus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 08, 2015, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 08, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
The issue, though, is not poverty alone (or even poverty plus living in a ghetto) - it is poverty plus a sense of seperation from and antagonism with the majority society, that makes for a population more willing to listen to ideological radicals.

This doesn't explain the Saudi 9/11 hijackers, or Osama bin Laden.

Osama was the ideologue, a leader of a movement - the issue is where the movement gets popular support from.

Also, obviously, not every terrorist is going to fit the "disaffected population in the West itself" profile. Osama and his Saudis were pissed off mostly by Western effects on the ME (where they originated from).

Dissafected Western Muslims is one source of support; pissed off traditional Muslims already in the ME is another. The first is more worrying, even if the second was more responsible for 9/11.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Sheilbh

Quote from: Malthus on January 08, 2015, 05:42:58 PM

Dissafected Western Muslims is one source of support; pissed off traditional Muslims already in the ME is another. The first is more worrying, even if the second was more responsible for 9/11.
It's reasonable to ask whether France has a particular problem with the former as well given that polls show 16% support for ISIS in France, increasing to 27% among the young. If it does, what are the causes.

I'm fairly sure 'insufficient secularism' is low on the list.
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