How Many Great People Are Good People?

[MadImmortalMan]

I'm trying to think of any Presidents who were bad people but good Presidents...

[Tonitrus]

Nixon?  LBJ?  Jefferson?

[sbr]

Jimmy Carter is a very good person, but he was really crappy President.

History will determine whether or not he was really crappy, thank you. 

How much longer do we have to wait?

[sbr]

Nixon?  LBJ?  Jefferson?

What's so bad about LBJ?  Honest question, I don't know much about him.

EDIT:  it's pretty funny that you have to specify when you are asking an honest question here. 

[Tonitrus]

Nixon?  LBJ?  Jefferson?

What's so bad about LBJ?  Honest question, I don't know much about him.

EDIT:  it's pretty funny that you have to specify when you are asking an honest question here. 

Not a murderer or psychopath, of course, but I always had the impression that LBJ was quite an asshole in person.  Maybe he was just on par for being Texan, though. 

Obviously the vices we seen in more modern politicians (outside the really off-the-reservation Hitlers/Stalins/Mao's) will be panty-waist stuff compared to the feudal, classical types.

[Valmy]

Maybe he was just on par for being Texan, though. 

Hey!  I was only slightly an asshole

[Razgovory]

Nixon?  LBJ?  Jefferson?

What's so bad about LBJ?  Honest question, I don't know much about him.

EDIT:  it's pretty funny that you have to specify when you are asking an honest question here. 

History wasn't kind to him.  He waged the Vietnam war which put him on the new left's shit list, and major proponent of civil rights which caused Southern Democrats to hate him even more.  In more recent years, a new generation of Republicans (often descended from the Southern Democrats), have tried to argue that deep down he was a worse racist then southern Democrats who left the part over segregation and that he was secretly plotting to put blacks into slavery.  You can see tidbits of these ideas in modern Republican statements about federal "plantations", and how welfare is the new slavery.

[Razgovory]

Barack Obama seems to be a pretty decent bloke.

Yeah, but the question was how many great people are also good people.  Jimmy Carter is a very good person, but he was really crappy President.  President Obama is the same, I think, though not as extreme as Carter.  And least anyone think I'm just being partisan here, I'd say the same about Gerald Ford, and to a lesser extent, both Bushes.

What exactly was so bad about Carter?

[PDH]

Carter was no Calvin Coolidge

[CountDeMoney]

Obviously the vices we seen in more modern politicians (outside the really off-the-reservation Hitlers/Stalins/Mao's) will be panty-waist stuff compared to the feudal, classical types.

We could only wish we had an LBJ in Congress now, berating the fuck out of that little shit Ted Cruz at the urinal, smacking McConnell and Reid like Stooges, driving Rand Paul to the point of tears over his perm, and showing Nancy Pelosi a Monster Cock That Moves Legislation By Its Very Presence.

[The Brain]

Barack Obama seems to be a pretty decent bloke.

[The Brain]

I don't know about tolerant or detached toward crappy generals.  He was constantly sending telegrams ordering them to move their asses. 

"Four score and seven years ago I ordered you to move your ass. And still nothing. Wtf dude? I swear if you gaytards don't ..."

[The Brain]

Charles XII.

[Razgovory]

I don't know about tolerant or detached toward crappy generals.  He was constantly sending telegrams ordering them to move their asses. 

"Four score and seven years ago I ordered you to move your ass. And still nothing. Wtf dude? I swear if you gaytards don't ..."

""If General McClellan does not want to use the Army, I would like to borrow it for a time, provided I could see how it could be made to do something."

[Martinus]

And of course, Vincent Thomas Lombardi, John Carroll, and George VI of England.

What makes George VI "great"? Simply being a monarch does not make you great. It just makes you famous/important.