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Was the American Civil War inevitible?

Started by jimmy olsen, October 30, 2014, 01:21:38 AM

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Assuming no changes earlier than 1815, was the American Civil War inevitable?

Yes
14 (58.3%)
No
10 (41.7%)

Total Members Voted: 24

The Brain

I wouldn't say that it was inevitable, but it was certainly stupid.
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Quote from: The Brain on October 30, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
I wouldn't say that it was inevitable, but it was certainly stupid.

Much like this thread.

viper37

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Quote from: garbon on October 30, 2014, 09:58:55 AM
Quote from: dps on October 30, 2014, 09:53:36 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 30, 2014, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on October 30, 2014, 09:45:29 AM
You don't mean to say the colored community might have had to wait up to all of forty years, do you?

This might be the most repugnant portion of this recent exchange.

Hey, I certainly agree that chattel slavery is an abomination, and I'm glad we got rid of it.  I wish we'd gotten rid of it earlier, or better yet, never had it.  But I don't think it's repugnant to think that without the war, it would have continued to be a cancer in our country for a lot longer. 

I quoted a post where a poster suggested it was no big thing if slavery lasted another 40 years.
Had they been freed and immediatly became equal citizens, I would support your point of view, but given what we know of history, I'm not sure it is that repugnant.

Though, of course, imagining a situation where the South frees all slaves and makes them equal to whites is pure fantasy.  It would have been apartheid up 'til maybe the 1990s, like South Africa.
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Viking

Quote from: Lettow77 on October 30, 2014, 08:52:00 AM
That can't be. I don't remember hearing tell of the Union army conducting any prolonged invasions in the area, which would obviously be the indispensable precursor to any sort of abolishment of slavery.

Only sub-human dixie scum need invading to convince them they shouldn't own other people.
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A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
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I still maintain we should have freed the slaves and then let those miserable, broken fucks have their country.  They could set up the feudal theocracy that so many down there still want and the rest of the country wouldn't be burdened by their stupidity. :mad:
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derspiess

And I used to think *I* hated the South. Yeeowch.
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dps

Quote from: viper37 on October 30, 2014, 01:07:37 PM
The South had the people, the North had the economy.

Uhm, no, actually the north had both.

PDH

Quote from: derspiess on October 30, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 30, 2014, 10:15:02 AM
The Civil War was inevitable because the South (personified here because they were a huge bag of dicks)

That's a bit harsh.  Their politicians were generally horrible people, but the southern population by & large were not.

The ones who weren't part of the Huge Bag of Dicks conspiracy fought for the Union.  Like George Thomas.
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Viking

Quote from: PDH on October 30, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 30, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: PDH on October 30, 2014, 10:15:02 AM
The Civil War was inevitable because the South (personified here because they were a huge bag of dicks)

That's a bit harsh.  Their politicians were generally horrible people, but the southern population by & large were not.

The ones who weren't part of the Huge Bag of Dicks conspiracy fought for the Union.  Like George Thomas.

Glad people finally agree that Robert E. Lee was one of the Bag of Dicks.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

PDH

Quote from: Viking on October 30, 2014, 08:19:07 PM

Glad people finally agree that Robert E. Lee was one of the Bag of Dicks.

Horrible butcher of his troops.  The only reason he is lauded in the South is because they are retarded.
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viper37

I don't do meditation.  I drink alcohol to relax, like normal people.

If Microsoft Excel decided to stop working overnight, the world would practically end.

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