Is suicide really selfish?

[Eddie Teach]

I wish more languish posters would contemplate it.

Be careful what you wish for, because

Now, whether you take others with you...well, that as Oprah would say, is for another show.

[The Brain]

Good luck trying to take katmai with you anywhere.

[Ideologue]

Ask my parents in a few months/years/tomorrow/whenever my cats die.  Then again, don't.  They'd probably be biased.

[Berkut]

It was obvious that he had had enough.  And that was his call to make.

No, it was obvious he was having a bad day, and made a bad decision in a moment of pain.

Spoken like somebody who doesn't have a single clue about the sheer, brutal and debilitating weight that is chronic depression.

And toss early onset Parkinson's on top of it? Check, please.

Yeah. We cheer on people who quit jobs, or move to a different city or break up long term relationships - if they get out of an unbearable situation that way. Why can't people quit life in the same way?

Again, Robin Williams is a great example - we are not talking about a moody teenager who is uncertain how he feels. We are talking about an adult man who is fulfilled both professionally and personally. Why can't he at some point legitimately decide that what is ahead of him is more pain than fun and call it a day?

Is that what happened?

I head he was suffering from depression, and hence not acting with his full rational faculties.

[Ideologue]

Depression isn't psychosis.

[CountDeMoney]

If you can do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience anyone then its fine.

Well, pretty much the only way that won't eventually inconvenience someone is to go out and be eaten by bears.

But see, bears are so adorably cute, it's almost pleasant to be mauled to death by one.
Think of all the other nasty critters out there that can kill you.  Snakes?  Spider bite?  Fuck that noise.

[Eddie Teach]

Ask my parents in a few months/years/tomorrow/whenever my cats die.  Then again, don't.  They'd probably be biased.

First you should reflect on how many thousands of cats are killed every year because they can't find anyone to take care of them.

[CountDeMoney]

Depression isn't psychosis.

But it comes and goes, like a case of the Mondays!

[Sheilbh]

I dunno - my father-in-law has terminal cancer and they're only giving him palliative care.  What it means is that he's had an awesome summer so far visiting with lots of people, spending time with his grandkids and others, rather than being sick in a hospital room taking radical chmotherapy that only buys him a few extra months.

I agree with Brain. That's dignity in life. Palliative care and the hospice movement are something else entirely and very admirable.

The idea of dignity in death is to me as unhuman as dignity in childbirth or sex. It's not dignified. Even in the white-washed walls of a Dignitas clinic, we can't control it. It's as unattainable as an elegant death or a decorous one. I worry about a society that manages, or seriously tries for dignity in death. Inevitably the world leader is Switzerland. Trying to control your valediction with loved ones - or with a grand dinner - is something different and attainable.

[CountDeMoney]

Guess Sheilbh's not going to win the VC anytime soon.  No dignity in it.

[MadImmortalMan]

When Courtney Love read that suicide note on tv in 1993 she ended by chanting asshole asshole asshole at her late husband. I'm guessing Cobain wasn't the only one to blame there.

And no, I think attacking someone for committing suicide is victim-blaming.

Even the most well-adjusted responsible people have their limits. Even Ned Flanders would lash out and kill a man if pushed to enough desperation.

[Razgovory]

I vote we ban Martinus again if this is how he chooses to return.

And, to your question, in your case it would be altruistic.

This if fine, and a decent question.

I say it's mostly selfish.  If you are flying your plane into an aircraft carrier it's not such a selfish act.

[Viking]

I vote we ban Martinus again if this is how he chooses to return.

And, to your question, in your case it would be altruistic.

This if fine, and a decent question.

I say it's mostly selfish.  If you are flying your plane into an aircraft carrier it's not such a selfish act.

Stop inciting Neil

[Razgovory]

Depression isn't psychosis.

This is true but it can result in in psychosis and it certainly clouds judgement.  I suspect he may have had manic-depression which causes all sorts of weird behavior.

[Tonitrus]

I vote we ban Martinus again if this is how he chooses to return.

And, to your question, in your case it would be altruistic.

This if fine, and a decent question.

I say it's mostly selfish.  If you are flying your plane into an aircraft carrier it's not such a selfish act.

Stop inciting Neil

That would be flying a plane into a dreadnought.