The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Admiral Yi]

"When cops are yelling at you to get out of the car, it's a good idea to get out of the car."

[Syt]

"When cops are yelling at you to get out of the car, it's a good idea to get out of the car."

They also shouted at him to keep his hands visible.

All this over a car with tinted windows and paper license plates (which he apparently had because it was a newly bought car).

[Admiral Yi]

They also shouted at him to keep his hands visible.

All this over a car with tinted windows and paper license plates (which he apparently had because it was a newly bought car).

Most of all this was over failure to comply.

[garbon]

And thus why I fear cops and try to stay away from them whenever possible.

[Richard Hakluyt]

"When cops are yelling at you to get out of the car, it's a good idea to get out of the car."

They also shouted at him to keep his hands visible.

All this over a car with tinted windows and paper license plates (which he apparently had because it was a newly bought car).

Yeah, complete hysteria. But I suppose the cops fear that any minor incident can lead to a shootout.

[Zoupa]

They also shouted at him to keep his hands visible.

All this over a car with tinted windows and paper license plates (which he apparently had because it was a newly bought car).

Most of all this was over failure to comply.

The issue in this case, and the reason this thread is hundreds of pages long, is not failure to comply. Failure to comply is not a licence for the cops to do whatever they want. The issue is cops on a power trip, itching for a chance to hurt somebody, and this weird us-vs-them mentality they have with their own community.

[Admiral Yi]

The issue in this case, and the reason this thread is hundreds of pages long, is not failure to comply. Failure to comply is not a licence for the cops to do whatever they want. The issue is cops on a power trip, itching for a chance to hurt somebody, and this weird us-vs-them mentality they have with their own community.

OK, let's discuss THE ISSUE.

What is the right way to respond to a failure to comply?

[grumbler]

OK, let's discuss THE ISSUE.

What is the right way to respond to a failure to comply?

Reassess whether the action you are demanding the suspect carry out is really necessary.  There is no reason to have someone leave their car because of a traffic stop.  I've been stopped several times and never had to leave my car.

The way NOT to respond to failure to comply is to immediately escalate the situation and issue threats that are against policy.

In this case, the cops realized that they had fucked up on camera, and so let the driver go.  They could have started with that mindset and this would all have been avoided.

The police alienating the community for the sake of forcing compliance to bullshit orders only helps the actual criminals.

[The Minsky Moment]

The issue in this case, and the reason this thread is hundreds of pages long, is not failure to comply. Failure to comply is not a licence for the cops to do whatever they want. The issue is cops on a power trip, itching for a chance to hurt somebody, and this weird us-vs-them mentality they have with their own community.

OK, let's discuss THE ISSUE.

What is the right way to respond to a failure to comply?

Unholster and keep shooting until every bullet is expended.  Then call HQ and request a nuclear strike from orbit.  The guy didn't comply right?  Can't take any chances.

Alternatively,
Apply a basic concept well recognized in the law and indeed in virtually any interaction between human beings: rationally assess context and implement a response that is proportional to and appropriate to the situation.

[DGuller]

The issue in this case, and the reason this thread is hundreds of pages long, is not failure to comply. Failure to comply is not a licence for the cops to do whatever they want. The issue is cops on a power trip, itching for a chance to hurt somebody, and this weird us-vs-them mentality they have with their own community.

OK, let's discuss THE ISSUE.

What is the right way to respond to a failure to comply?

Unholster and keep shooting until every bullet is expended.  Then call HQ and request a nuclear strike from orbit.  The guy didn't comply right?  Can't take any chances.

Alternatively,
Apply a basic concept well recognized in the law and indeed in virtually any interaction between human beings: rationally assess context and implement a response that is proportional to and appropriate to the situation.

The problem with that approach is that you're setting a precedent that civilians can defy your authority and live to tell about it.

[mongers]

Unholster and keep shooting until every bullet is expended.  Then call HQ and request a nuclear strike from orbit.  The guy didn't comply right?  Can't take any chances.

Alternatively,
Apply a basic concept well recognized in the law and indeed in virtually any interaction between human beings: rationally assess context and implement a response that is proportional to and appropriate to the situation.

The problem with that approach is that you're setting a precedent that civilians can defy your authority and live to tell about it.

[fromtia]

OK, let's discuss THE ISSUE.

What is the right way to respond to a failure to comply?

Take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[Admiral Yi]

Apply a basic concept well recognized in the law and indeed in virtually any interaction between human beings: rationally assess context and implement a response that is proportional to and appropriate to the situation.

Please go on.

[Tonitrus]

I think he means less...



...and more...

[HVC]

i can't not focus on the dogs penile sheath... is that the right term? whatever it is its staring into my soul