The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[derspiess]

It is rather bizarre.  I mean black people are the most beaten down people in this country. 

Historically or currently?

Currently.  They are generally always in the shittiest shape in all the stats.  It goes Whitey, Latinos, Blacks.  Asians not being important or whatever.

I thought you meant literally beaten down.  Because that is not the case.

[Valmy]

I thought you meant literally beaten down.  Because that is not the case.

Is there an ethnic group around here known for being physically beaten down?  Anyway yeah I meant figuratively.

[Eddie Teach]

Is there an ethnic group around here known for being physically beaten down?  Anyway yeah I meant figuratively.

Nerds.

[derspiess]

Is there an ethnic group around here known for being physically beaten down?  Anyway yeah I meant figuratively.

Well, you said fear. 

[citizen k]

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2014/8/al-jazeera-americareportergetshitwithteargasinferguson.html

At least after the news crew fled the police were nice enough to dismantle their gear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUUcNnt0yEg

[Razgovory]

Rep. John Lewis On Ferguson: 'Declare Martial Law'

Actually it's not the worst idea.  The governor has already sent in the Highway Patrol.  If the Patrol fails, you send in the National Guard.  Whatever the grievances the public has against the police department rioting should occur.

Martial law rarely sounds like a good idea, certainly not here.

Martial law is what you do when you the police can't handle the situation.

[katmai]

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2014/8/al-jazeera-americareportergetshitwithteargasinferguson.html

At least after the news crew fled the police were nice enough to dismantle their gear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUUcNnt0yEg

All they were using is couple of 1x1's eh?

[alfred russel]

Martial law rarely sounds like a good idea, certainly not here.

How is it different than this:


Except, perhaps, better disciplined?

I've been in disaster zones when the National Guard is called out, and not to sound ungrateful for them being there, but they sort of seemed worthless. It seemed like their role was to stand around and watch while local police and fire did stuff.

Which when I reflected on it, doesn't seem to odd. They are usually part time, and trained to be military. Why would you expect a 25 year old who spends most of his time in a random civilian job and a few weeks in military training to be effective in a disaster situation in the US?

[Tonitrus]

Indeed.  Their major role in civil unrest situations was to mostly stand around and look intimidating with all the mil-spec gear.  Local police are taking over that role themselves more these days.

The only way to one-up the po-po now is to roll out some Abrams tanks and fly in Apaches.  Maybe they could also pack some tear gas into an MLRS.

[Berkut]

Martial law rarely sounds like a good idea, certainly not here.

How is it different than this:


Except, perhaps, better disciplined?

I've been in disaster zones when the National Guard is called out, and not to sound ungrateful for them being there, but they sort of seemed worthless. It seemed like their role was to stand around and watch while local police and fire did stuff.

Which when I reflected on it, doesn't seem to odd. They are usually part time, and trained to be military. Why would you expect a 25 year old who spends most of his time in a random civilian job and a few weeks in military training to be effective in a disaster situation in the US?

Yeah, I was called out, and mostly our purpose was to provide warm bodies to do shit like "patrolling" or manning checkpoints. It's not like we had any actual training to do anything actually useful.

Fuck, I was a TOW missile gunner. Unless the tornado dropped some T-80s on us, I wasn't much use...

[Tonitrus]

Next Military History channel movie..."T-80-nado"?

Russian tank division in East Germany gets pick up by a super tornado and carried into the Fulda Gap...NATO hijinks and hilarity ensue?

[Razgovory]

Yeah, I was called out, and mostly our purpose was to provide warm bodies to do shit like "patrolling" or manning checkpoints. It's not like we had any actual training to do anything actually useful.

Fuck, I was a TOW missile gunner. Unless the tornado dropped some T-80s on us, I wasn't much use...

Don't sell yourself short.  Having checkpoints and enforcing a curfew can stop a riot.  The simple presence of an Army can be very persuasive.  It persuaded the rioters in LA and George Wallace in Alabama.

[LaCroix]

It is rather bizarre.  I mean black people are the most beaten down people in this country.  Weird we should fear them.  It is like the irrational hatred of jews, just do not get that one.

indians have it worse. jurisdiction has caused a lot of problems.

[Valmy]

It is rather bizarre.  I mean black people are the most beaten down people in this country.  Weird we should fear them.  It is like the irrational hatred of jews, just do not get that one.

indians have it worse. jurisdiction has caused a lot of problems.

Probably true and you should know, you live up where they are.  But nobody fears them.  They mostly live out in the boonies and other people don't bug them much right?

[LaCroix]

Probably true and you should know, you live up where they are.  But nobody fears them.  They mostly live out in the boonies and other people don't bug them much right?

nah, most people don't like indians. i've had friends who seemed A-OK with all the other minorities, except indians. but, what's worse is when non-indians go down to the casino and a fight erupts. or a non-indian beats his indian girlfriend on the reservation. the tribal judicial system cannot prosecute (except, iirc, in three reservations due to some 2010 federal act) non-indians and must rely on state prosecutors. allegedly, the state isn't always perfect about prosecuting incidents against indians (i assume the egregious cases are prosecuted, though).

and, of course, indians are also beat down by the very system they expect to protect them - the reservation. it's a huge mess.