Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[celedhring]

Sounds better than I expected, although I have no idea how much Russia relies on European capital markets.

[The Larch]

Does the Russian military finance itself directly from banks? 

[The Brain]

Sanctions need to target much more than stuff connected to those territories.

[Tamas]

Putin: I declare the post-cold war world order over and Ukraine to be a country with no right to exist!
The UK: This is unacceptable, as a punishment we now stop making business with 3 specific Russian persons.

[celedhring]

Does the Russian military finance itself directly from banks? 

I have no idea. I suppose it means the banks the army uses to operate (paying for stuff).

We'll see when the package is finally passed.

[Tamas]

Little tidbit on the "staying within current borders thing":

[Sheilbh]

Sounds better than I expected, although I have no idea how much Russia relies on European capital markets.

Agreed and better than was being briefed last night which sounded limited to individuals or groups in DNR/LNR.

The UK: This is unacceptable, as a punishment we now stop making business with 3 specific Russian persons.

And freeze the assets/sanction five Russian banks branches/operations in the UK. Quite like that Labour pushed for more including withdrawing RT's broadcasting license. And from what I can see, while there's broad support for these measures from Labour, SNP and the Tory backbenches - they all seem to be pushing for more which is good. I hope they're successful.

Flagged as a "first tranche" but I feel all of this - with the exception of NordStream 2 - is very weak. I get that there's a balance between wanting to keep the big items in reserve for a further invasion given that's expected, but I think this isn't enough and will probably make Putin think that the threat for any further invasion is relatively low.

[The Larch]

Little tidbit on the "staying within current borders thing":

I.e., Putin has not yet decided. 

[celedhring]

What I get from this is that this Peskov fellow absolutely has no fucking idea what's going on.

[Syt]

Little tidbit on the "staying within current borders thing":

Feels like one of my typical work meetings.

[Josquius]

Goes to show there's a special skill in these political jobs.

[Sheilbh]

They asked the leader of the DNR about this:

Pushilin said on Vesti just now "Frankly, the issue hasn't been discussed"

What an awful oversight to not clarify what territory Russia's recognising when he was signing their "friendship and aid" agreement.

[Syt]

They asked the leader of the DNR about this:

Pushilin said on Vesti just now "Frankly, the issue hasn't been discussed"

What an awful oversight to not clarify what territory Russia's recognising when he was signing their "friendship and aid" agreement.

It's one of those things where everyone thinks it's completely self evident, and then later realize that there's some serious misalignment.

Again, reminds me of work.

[The Brain]

Russian quality. Last thing I saw that was Made in Russia was edible clay. Make of this what you will.

[Sheilbh]

Medvedev's take on NS2:

Dmitry Medvedev
@MedvedevRussiaE
Russia government official
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has issued an order to halt the process of certifying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Well. Welcome to the brave new world where Europeans are very soon going to pay €2.000 for 1.000 cubic meters of natural gas!