Probably for Neil only: WI 30 knot Nelsons?

[grumbler]

As a kind of a follow-on to that discussion, there was a discussion of the British 16"/45 Mk I guns, originally designed for the G3 class and eventually installed in the Nelrods.  Apparently, that was one turkey of a gun with a crap shell, and the RN couldn't figure out how to fix the gun without a decent shell to calibrate the gun with, and couldn't create a decent shell without a decent gun to fire the competing designs.  That's probably why the Bismarck was still afloat after probably 100 hits by 16" fire from the Rodney.