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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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Admiral Yi

#810
February 21, 2014, 11:15:20 AM
Oleh needs to get over himself.

derspiess

#811
February 21, 2014, 11:16:08 AM
More Lenin statues are being toppled :punk:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

MadImmortalMan

#812
February 21, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on February 21, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
John McCaun would have had us letting our birds fly over Tskhinvali. There is no one whose opinion deserves less weight on the subject.

Why would we intervene in Ukraine and not, say, Venezuela?
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

celedhring

#813
February 21, 2014, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2014, 11:16:08 AM
More Lenin statues are being toppled :punk:

It amazes me that, 25 years after the fall of the URSS, Ukraine of all places still has statues of Lenin.

Malthus

#814
February 21, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Valmy

#815
February 21, 2014, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: Malthus on February 21, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
Why is it in English?

Because English is the official unofficial language of Europe.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Maximus

#816
February 21, 2014, 11:25:37 AM
The significant thing about that image is that the Russian envoy didn't sign.

Tamas

#817
February 21, 2014, 11:27:57 AM
Quote from: Maximus on February 21, 2014, 11:25:37 AM
The significant thing about that image is that the Russian envoy didn't sign.

:yes:

derspiess

#818
February 21, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Barrister

#819
February 21, 2014, 11:39:09 AM
All I can say is that this deal sounds about almost as good as the West could hope for.  I sure hope it works, prevents further bloodshed, and results in a change of President later this year.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Malthus

#821
February 21, 2014, 11:47:22 AM
Yup. Sounds like a great deal, if it ends the bloodshed and leads to a freer Ukraine.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

DGuller

#822
February 21, 2014, 11:51:23 AM
The one things that is a little concerning is how pliable the constitution is.  What's the safeguard against another amendment that again undoes what was agreed upon, other than the threat of another bloodbath?

Malthus

#823
February 21, 2014, 11:56:58 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 21, 2014, 11:51:23 AM
The one things that is a little concerning is how pliable the constitution is.  What's the safeguard against another amendment that again undoes what was agreed upon, other than the threat of another bloodbath?

Ultimately, it is the threat of a bloodbath - or rather, the loss of legitimacy and hence loss of power, that may lead to a bloodbath - that underpins all constitutions, rather than their specific terms. The best-drafted, most binding terms in the world are worthless if the government can effectively get away with ignoring them. 

What interests me is whether the army was sounded out on crushing the protesters by force - and indicated it would refuse.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Zanza

#824
February 21, 2014, 11:57:50 AM
Heh, our foreign minister doing something worthwhile? Haven't seen that for years...
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