DNA Sequencing Megathread! Neanderthals, Denisovans and other ancient DNA!

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Valmy

#570
February 21, 2018, 10:18:53 PM Last Edit: February 21, 2018, 10:21:41 PM by Valmy
I have to say this is a hilariously retarded newspaper headline by the Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/21/no-one-living-britain-truly-british-scientists-find-stonehenge/

QuoteNo one living in Britain 'truly British', scientists find as Stonehenge builders were replaced by European immigrants

The Britons were not Britons!

I mean do they think the Stonehenge builders popped out of the soil of Britannia or something? I mean how many centuries do have to inhabit a place before you are considered indigenous?
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derspiess

#571
February 21, 2018, 11:56:46 PM
390 years seems like a good number. Then I can call myself Native American.
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Valmy

#572
February 21, 2018, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 21, 2018, 11:56:46 PM
390 years seems like a good number. Then I can call myself Native American.

Dude we could be here for one thousand years and will not be calling ourselves that. Though having discovered immortality will cushion the blow a bit.
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Eddie Teach

#573
February 22, 2018, 01:22:27 AM
Why not? Why should Indians own the term?
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Valmy

#574
February 22, 2018, 01:27:21 AM Last Edit: February 22, 2018, 01:29:55 AM by Valmy
Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 22, 2018, 01:22:27 AM
Why not? Why should Indians own the term?

Because the term was basically invented to distinguish the later arrivals from the original inhabitants in nations with colonial origins like ours.

Though...you know...maybe not.



Some of our ancestors were already doing that 150 years ago so perhaps as times change...we will figure out which direction the letter 'N' goes. I mean apply the term to ourselves.
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derspiess

#575
February 22, 2018, 10:16:09 AM
:lol:
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grumbler

#576
February 22, 2018, 10:21:11 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on February 22, 2018, 01:22:27 AM
Why not? Why should Indians own the term?

You can call yourself whatever you want.  Just don't expect anyone else to understand what you mean by it.  Indians don't "own the term;" no one "owns" terms of words.  However, there are accepted meanings of words and terms, and you don't get to decide what words mean to others.  Neo-Nazis don't get to change the meaning of "Nazi" from "asshole" to "hero."  That's not the way that works.  That's not the way anything works.
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Caliga

#577
February 22, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
23andme sent me an email today to tell me I do NOT carry Usher Syndrome.

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Josquius

#578
February 22, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 21, 2018, 10:18:53 PM
I have to say this is a hilariously retarded newspaper headline by the Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/21/no-one-living-britain-truly-british-scientists-find-stonehenge/

QuoteNo one living in Britain 'truly British', scientists find as Stonehenge builders were replaced by European immigrants

The Britons were not Britons!

I mean do they think the Stonehenge builders popped out of the soil of Britannia or something? I mean how many centuries do have to inhabit a place before you are considered indigenous?

I thought this was a known thing?
The Britons/Celts invaded Britain towards the end of the bronze age, largely replacing the mysterious (Basque?) people who were there before and had built Stonehenge.
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Caliga

#579
February 22, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 22, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
The Britons/Celts invaded Britain towards the end of the bronze age, largely replacing the mysterious (Basque?) people who were there before and had built Stonehenge.
I thought Stonehenge was built by a strange race of people, the Druids.
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frunk

#580
February 22, 2018, 04:46:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 22, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
I thought Stonehenge was built by a strange race of people, the Druids.

Nobody knows who they were, or what they were doin.

Caliga

#581
February 22, 2018, 04:48:15 PM
Exactly.
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Admiral Yi

#582
February 22, 2018, 05:36:29 PM
If anybody were to claim Druid/Basque/whatever ancestry, would they just be able to run casinos, or would all English people have to leave?

The Minsky Moment

#583
February 22, 2018, 05:41:59 PM Last Edit: February 22, 2018, 05:50:31 PM by The Minsky Moment
Quote from: mongers on February 21, 2018, 09:45:05 PM
My ancestry?? :

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Ancient Britons 'replaced' by newcomers

Full item here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43115485

I addressed this earlier in this thread.
The conclusions here turn a lot on an assumption that a particular lineage (R1b) is associated with "steppe nomad" ancestry.  The idea is that the spread of this lineage over a few hundred years represents a replacement of indigenous population by "Indo-Europeans."  However, not that long ago, it was believed that the same lineage was European and paleolithic in origin, which obviously does not support the I-E invasion hypothesis.  The steppe nomad theory is based on a paper by Wolfgang Haak and others and their research is quite thorough.  However, one of Haak's samples has the lineage in Iberia a few thousand years before his stepped nomadic migration could have happened.

When reading these scientific papers one has to keep in mind that seemingly definitive statements about origins and lineages are not based on unequivocal evidence.  There are layers of interpretation going on.  Also what was commonly accepted 10 years ago as fact, is now claimed to be wrong; can we really be certain that 10 years from now these findings won't be challenged?
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Grinning_Colossus

#584
February 22, 2018, 07:33:35 PM
But we still have blond beasts on horseback embedding axes in settled agricultural peoples from the Indus to Ireland to the tune of Carmina Burana, right?
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