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Review of the Chinese "Top Gun" movie

Started by Barrister, October 31, 2013, 03:10:23 PM

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Viking

Quote from: mongers on October 31, 2013, 06:07:18 PM

And there's no elements of 'Top Gun' that could be seen as domestic propaganda for the US military ?

Seems like they thought, lets do some pro-military propaganda, looked at one of the most effective films and thought well just copy it, but failed miserably.

Well, Top Gun does idolize the republican virtues that he USA want's it soldiers to display. Initiative, determination and courage.
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Quote from: Viking on October 31, 2013, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 31, 2013, 06:07:18 PM

And there's no elements of 'Top Gun' that could be seen as domestic propaganda for the US military ?

Seems like they thought, lets do some pro-military propaganda, looked at one of the most effective films and thought well just copy it, but failed miserably.

Well, Top Gun does idolize the republican virtues that he USA want's it soldiers to display. Initiative, determination and courage.

Top Gun was made to be awesome and make money.  Any comparisons to the actual US and USSR militaries were completely coincidental.  Besides I think alot of the things in that movie would have gotten an actual pilot court martialled.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 31, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 31, 2013, 06:07:18 PM
And there's no elements of 'Top Gun' that could be seen as domestic propaganda for the US military ?

There are elements of every movie ever made that could be seen as propaganda for something or another.

Really every one?   :hmm:

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Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 31, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
There are elements of every movie ever made that could be seen as propaganda for something or another.
I think the studios aim to please the politicians as a way to please their consituents.  If a majority vote Republican, they'll produce dramas like Rambos and Top Guns.  If a Democrat is elected, they'll go for stuff like the Insider.
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Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Besides I think alot of the things in that movie would have gotten an actual pilot court martialled.
the general public does not know that...  and it probably boosted recruitment for the US Navy & Air Force.

The pilot would have at least got a serious warning.  There was a pilot whose parents live not far from me.  He used to come and "visit" with his F-18, getting way low, slowing and suddenly accelerating to make a lot of noise, shaking the plane to say hello and such.  It was funny.  But lots of people got scared and complained, so eventually, he got officially warned and grounded for a little while.  And he didn't even get close to an Air Control tower.
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Quote from: viper37 on November 01, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 31, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
There are elements of every movie ever made that could be seen as propaganda for something or another.
I think the studios aim to please the politicians as a way to please their consituents.  If a majority vote Republican, they'll produce dramas like Rambos and Top Guns.  If a Democrat is elected, they'll go for stuff like the Insider.

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Quote from: viper37 on November 01, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Besides I think alot of the things in that movie would have gotten an actual pilot court martialled.
the general public does not know that...  and it probably boosted recruitment for the US Navy & Air Force.

You are really stretching now.  How can it be propaganda when it encourages the type of people doing the sorts of things the military does not want to enlist?  And considering just about this time the military started shedding personnel like crazy recruitment was hardly a point of concern.
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I do remember when Top Gun came out that summer, there were some stories in the news of recruitment tables set up in a couple movie theater lobbies, but that was after a few weeks of big box office money.  It's not like it was a USN plot.

Hell, even I wanted in on the action on the way home from the theater.

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Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 01, 2013, 02:15:41 PM
I do remember when Top Gun came out that summer, there were some stories in the news of recruitment tables set up in a couple movie theater lobbies, but that was after a few weeks of big box office money.  It's not like it was a USN plot.

Hell, even I wanted in on the action on the way home from the theater.

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Quote from: viper37 on November 01, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2013, 07:32:05 PM
Besides I think alot of the things in that movie would have gotten an actual pilot court martialled.
the general public does not know that...  and it probably boosted recruitment for the US Navy & Air Force.

Top Gun very noticeably did affect recruitment.
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