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Happy birthday, USA!

Started by Zanza, July 04, 2013, 01:55:37 PM

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Zanza



Just coming back from an American style barbecue that my employer held. Cheers!

Admiral Yi

:cheers:

We forgive you for the German mercenaries.

However as a 6th level Languish mage you should know better than to use barbeque in that way.

Syt

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garbon

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I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Valmy

Ah America you do not look a day over 236

I hope everybody is having a great 4th
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Neil

Good old America.  You made some great dreadnoughts.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

CountDeMoney

And now for something completely typical.

QuoteThe American Revolution was a flop
By Paul Pirie, Published: July 3
Paul Pirie, a former historian, is a freelance writer in Ontario.

The easiest way of assessing whether the United States would have been better off without its revolution is to look at those English-speaking countries that rejected the American Revolution and retained the monarchy, particularly Canada, which experienced an influx of American refugees after the British defeat. The U.S. performance should also be assessed against the ideals the new country set for itself — namely, advancing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The new republic started advancing life and liberty by keeping a substantial part of its population enslaved. (This, at least, proves the frequent British put-down that Americans don't have a sense of irony.) By contrast, in British-controlled Canada, the abolition of slavery began almost 20 years before the War of 1812, sometimes called America's "Second Revolution." A good number of free blacks fought with the British against the United States in that conflict, even participating in the burning of Washington. And if, as some scholars argue, the Civil War was the unfinished business of the American Revolution, then Americans — like the Russians — paid a very high human cost for their revolutions.

On to liberty. Data from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics show that more than 2 million people were incarcerated in 2011; that includes federal, state and local prisoners, as well as those awaiting trial. To put that total into perspective, the International Centre for Prison Studies ranks the United States ranks first in the world in the number of prisoners per 100,000 residents. That's well ahead of Canada (which ranks 136th) and even Russia. The U.S. incarceration rate for African American men, which is about six times higher than that of white men, according to 2010 data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, points to yet more unfinished business.

As for the pursuit of happiness, Americans are free to do just that — provided that they aren't rotting in jail. But are they likely to find it? Most Americans work longer hours and have fewer paid vacations and benefits — including health care — than their counterparts in most advanced countries. Consider also that in the CIA World Factbook, the United States ranks 51st in life expectancy at birth. Working oneself into an early grave does not do much for one's happiness quotient. This year the United States tied for 14th in "life satisfaction" on an annual quality-of-life study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. That puts the United States behind Canada (eighth) and Australia (12th). A report co-authored last year by the economist Jeffrey Sachs ranked the United States 10th in the world for happiness — again behind Canada and Australia. The Sachs study found that the United States has made "striking economic and technological progress over the past half century without gains in the self-reported happiness of the citizenry. Instead, uncertainties and anxieties are high, social and economic inequalities have widened considerably, social trust is in decline, and confidence in government is at an all-time low."

Ouch.

Which brings us to the related matter of the revolution's long-term impact on politics. While the Canadian, Australian and British governments have shown they can get things done, including passing tough austerity budgets in recent years, the norm in Washington has become paralyzing partisanship and gridlock.

In these senses, the American Revolution was a flop. Perhaps it's time for Americans to accept that their revolution was a failure and renounce it. (For their part, many Russians have.)

Alternatively, rather than being wedded to every practice or institution that arose from the revolution, however counterproductive or dysfunctional today, perhaps Americans can rekindle some of the boldness of the nation's Founders to create a "more perfect" and happier union.

Last Fourth of July, while I visited sweltering-but-beautiful Washington, I came across an inscription in the Jefferson Memorial in which the third president warned against allowing institutions to calcify: "I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. . . . [W]ith the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times."

Those modern patriots who make a show of reading the U.S. Constitution aloud, as though it was carved in stone, might do well to reread Jefferson's advice.

Neil

See, I'm not sure that's entirely fair.  The US had a much deeper exposure to expansionism and slavery than Canada did, long before their revolution.  Even if the US had decided not to have their rebellion, there would still be all kinds of tensions, and it's not like the tendency of the Americans to embrace evil would just disappear.  That's the sort of thing that takes time to change.
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katmai

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Grey Fox

But Canada without an independant post revolution US would have never come to be.
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Neil

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 04, 2013, 08:05:31 PM
But Canada without an independant post revolution US would have never come to be.
What would ever lead you to think that?
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Razgovory

If things are so great in Canada why do we here such bitching from some of Quebecker posters?
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HVC

Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2013, 08:34:23 PM
If things are so great in Canada why do we here such bitching from some of Quebecker posters?
you have your lettow's we have our grallon's. the secessionists heart wants what it wants.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.