)Quote from: Jacob on January 07, 2026, 09:52:37 PMWell, it's nice to see some Republicans pushing back against Trump and Miller's Greenland gambit: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/07/gop-lawmakers-denounce-trump-seize-greenland-00714611One was saying that the Danes needed to surrender it since Americans died defending it.
Quote from: DGuller on January 07, 2026, 08:09:12 PMI fear that the ICE agent in this shooting will be judged justified to shoot, because there are plenty of precedents that a car moving at a cop is a deadly threat. Personally, this rarely makes sense to me, because if you're in front of a car that's coming at you, you have to jump out of the way whether you shoot the driver or not. If you still have to jump out of the way, then how does the logic of shooting to stop the threat work, if you're the only one in the path?
Quote from: Jacob on January 07, 2026, 06:46:53 PMI thought you subscribed to the view that the greatest leaps in European unity and cohesion is in response to crises?Yes I've been misattributing it. Not Jacques Delors, but Jean Monnet: "Europe will be forged in crises, and will be the sum of the solutions adopted for those crises".
QuoteFor someone who decries British and European inability to act, you certainly seem to embrace assumed helplessness![]()
I mean, I don't disagree that maintaining ambiguity and relying on diplomacy as long as possible while building up strength and capacity may be the best path forward. I simply disagree that it's the only path forward, or obviously and inherently the superior one.
Fair. And I could very well be wrong - in many ways I hope I am. (And I am fully aware I may just be a little scarred from recent years when few shocks have gone a positive way from my pov.)QuoteI think Europe is largely irrelevant enough already that making righteous statements about Venezuela or not already doesn't matter. If Europe takes actual concrete action to embrace Venezuela (or otherwise work against American global policy priorities) in a practical sense (economic ties, repealing sanctions, whatever) that matters. Writing a letter of condemnation or support (or equivocating down the middle) matters only a tiny little bit.I get what your saying - my point is as America's no longer a friend we need some. Russia ain't it. I'm not sure on China either (I think their relationship is close if not quite the "friendship without limits" the've declared). I think we need to look to the rest of the world and I think that means taking on board some of their perspective or imagining how this looks from their position.
Europe absolutely can be way more worried about Greenland or Ukraine than it is about Gaza or Venezuela, and Europe absolutely can be Eurocentric in their perspective. What Europe can't do is pretend that that difference of worry level represents some absolute objective high moral ground that other countries secretly think as morally persuasive. Actions, not words, is what matters.
QuoteOn the whole "Europe vs Russia, China, and the US at the same time" thing - I'm much less certain that China will continue to support Russia to the degree it does now if Europe is less supportive of the US. While these things are complex and multifaceted, IMO one of the significant drivers for China's support of Russia is to undermine the alliance that it faces in the Pacific.As I say I don't think I agree on China and Russia. I think that relationship is key for both parties - and there are multiple gas pipelines coming online in the next few years which will further cement. What Europe has to offer is a market which is valuable and an industry which can't compete.
While acknowledging that China doesn't desire good things for Europe, the threat of driving Europe into closer collaboration with China at the cost of the US could also serve as a deterrent for US perfidy.
Basically I agree with you that Europe can't hold back China, Russia, and the US all at once... but I don't think it's a given that compromising with the US to fight China is the best course for Europe (I think we agree that holding back Russia is). China is further away and has not have an explicitly stated goal of reshaping Europe to it's liking. Maybe there's more room to work with China to lessen the threat from Russia and the US.
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