http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/29/breadwinner-moms/
QuoteBreadwinner Moms
Mothers Are the Sole or Primary Provider in Four-in-Ten Households with Children; Public Conflicted about the Growing Trend
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by Wendy Wang, Kim Parker and Paul Taylor
CHAPTER 1: OVERVIEW
children under the age of 18 include mothers who are either the sole or primary source of income for the family, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The share was just 11% in 1960.
These "breadwinner moms" are made up of two very different groups: 5.1 million (37%) are married mothers who have a higher income than their husbands, and 8.6 million (63%) are single mothers.1
The income gap between the two groups is quite large. The median total family income of married mothers who earn more than their husbands was nearly $80,000 in 2011, well above the national median of $57,100 for all families with children, and nearly four times the $23,000 median for families led by a single mother.2
The groups differ in other ways as well. Compared with all mothers with children under age 18, married mothers who out-earn their husbands are slightly older, disproportionally white and college educated. Single mothers, by contrast, are younger, more likely to be black or Hispanic, and less likely to have a college degree.
The growth of both groups of mothers is tied to women's increasing presence in the workplace. Women make up almost of half (47%) of the U.S. labor force today, and the employment rate of married mothers with children has increased from 37% in 1968 to 65% in 2011.3
The impact the recession may have had on this trend is unclear.4 However, a Pew Research Center survey conducted in November 2012 found that mothers' views about whether and how much they would like to work had changed significantly since 2007 (before the recession officially began). The share of mothers saying their ideal situation would be to work full time increased from 20% in 2007 to 32% in 2012. And the share saying they would prefer not to work at all fell from 29% to 20%.
A new Pew Research Center survey finds that the public remains of two minds about the gains mothers have made in the workplace–most recognize the clear economic benefits to families, but many voice concerns about the toll that having a working mother may take on children or even marriage. About three-quarters of adults (74%) say the increasing number of women working for pay has made it harder for parents to raise children, and half say that it has made marriages harder to succeed. At the same time, two-thirds say it has made it easier for families to live comfortably.
While the vast majority of Americans (79%) reject the idea that women should return to their traditional roles,5 the new Pew Research survey finds that the public still sees mothers and fathers in a different light when it comes to evaluating the best work-family balance for children.
About half (51%) of survey respondents say that children are better off if a mother is home and doesn't hold a job, while just 8% say the same about a father.
On the topic of single mothers, most Americans (64%) say that this growing trend is a "big problem"; however, the share who feel this way is down from 71% in 2007. Also,
young adults are less concerned than older adults about the trend. About four-in-ten adults under age 30 (42%) view it as a big problem, compared with 65% of those in their 30s and 40s and 74% of adults who are 50 and older.
The public's opinions about unmarried mothers also differ by party affiliation and race. Republicans (78%) are more likely than Democrats (51%) or independent voters (65%) to say that the growing number of children born to unwed mothers is a big problem. Whites are more likely than non-whites to view it as a big problem (67% vs. 56%). The views of men and women on this issue are the same.
Data for this report are mainly from Pew Research analysis of multiple years of Census Bureau data as well as a recent Pew Research survey conducted by landline and cellular telephone April 25-28, 2013, among a nationally representative sample of 1,003 adults living in the continental United States. More detailed information about the data sources can be found in Appendix 2.
Other Key Findings
Both groups of breadwinner mothers, married and single, have grown in size in the past five decades. Of all households with children younger than 18, the share of married mothers who out-earn their husbands has gone up from 4% in 1960 to 15% in 2011, nearly a fourfold increase. During the same period, the share of families led by a single mother has more than tripled (from 7% to 25%).
The total family income is higher when the mother, not the father, is the primary breadwinner. In 2011, the median family income was nearly $80,000 for couples in which wife is the primary breadwinner, about $2,000 more than it was for couples in which husband is the primary breadwinner, and $10,000 more than for couples in which spouses' income is the same.
Married mothers are increasingly better educated than their husbands. Even though a majority of spouses have a similar educational background, the share of couples in which the mother has attained a higher education than her spouse has gone up from 7% in 1960 to 23% in 2011. In two-parent families today, 61% have a mother whose education level is similar to her husband's, 23% have a mother who is better educated than her husband, and 16% have a father who is better educated than his wife.
Most people reject the idea that it is bad for a marriage if a wife out-earns her husband. When asked if they agree or disagree that it is generally better for a marriage if a husband earns more than his wife, some 28% of survey respondents say they agree and 63% disagree. When a similar question was asked in 1997, 40% said they agreed. In the new survey, adults with a high school diploma or less were twice as likely as those with a college degree (35% vs. 18%) to say it is generally better for a marriage if a husband out-earns a wife. There were no significant differences between men and women on this question.
Today's single mothers are much more likely to be never married than were single mothers in the past. The share of never married mothers among all single mothers has increased from 4% in 1960 to 44% in 2011. During the same period, the share of single mothers who had children from previous marriages has gone down from 82% to 50%.
Never married mothers have a distinctive profile. Compared with single mothers who are divorced, widowed or separated, never married mothers are significantly younger, disproportionally non-white, and have lower education and income. Close to half of never married mothers in 2011 (46%) are ages 30 and younger, six-in-ten are either black (40%) or Hispanic (24%), and nearly half (49%) have a high school education or less. Their median family income was $17, 400 in 2011, the lowest among all families with children.
This (all male) panel at FOX Business says it shows the disintegration of marriage, of society, and even throw in the War on Women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kORINpVUEtE
Quote from: Syt on May 31, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
This (all male) panel at FOX Business says it shows the disintegration of marriage, of society, and even throw in the War on Women.
Nah. All it shows is that we should add contraceptives to water supply in some neighborhoods.
No high-earning single mothers who choose not to have a man in the household?
Quote from: Brazen on May 31, 2013, 05:49:26 AM
No high-earning single mothers who choose not to have a man in the household?
They're not going to affect the median.
Quote from: Brazen on May 31, 2013, 05:49:26 AM
No high-earning single mothers who choose not to have a man in the household?
I'm sure there's all kinds of bad parents out there.
Quote from: Brazen on May 31, 2013, 05:49:26 AM
No high-earning single mothers who choose not to have a man in the household?
Well be definition those people are going to be exceptional. Single mothers are typically not going to have incomes that much higher than the typical person...being people and all.
But why would somebody choose not to have a man in the household? We are delightful.
It'd be nice to think that only single women with sufficient income to support a baby on their own would bring one into the world. More proof of the need for a Basic Parenting Licence before breeding is permitted.
Quote from: Syt on May 31, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
QuoteThe groups differ in other ways as well. Compared with all mothers with children under age 18, married mothers who out-earn their husbands are slightly older, disproportionally white and college educated. Single mothers, by contrast, are younger, more likely to be black or Hispanic, and less likely to have a college degree.
Whenever I see racial stats like this tossed around I am curious about the numbers.
So in that article I see that while Whitey makes up 60% of all mothers, they make up 64% of all mothers who earn more than the father. Um...I guess when I hear 'disproportional' I think the proportions are all little more off than that. Same with the supposed increased chance of Hispanic single mom's...they make up 18.9% of all moms but 21.7% of all single moms. Granted they did not say it was much more likely to be Hispanic but the article is a bit misleading, one might think single motherhood is high among Hispanics while it probably is not unusual for their age and socio-economic class...maybe even a bit low.
Derspiess's traditional gender-role buddies at FOX say this is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh.
QuoteWeighing on the Pew Research Poll last night, Juan Williams said the rise of female breadwinners means there's "something going terribly wrong in American society and it's hurting our children."
"Those are the children who survive," Dobbs replied. "54 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. What has been the impact? What does it say about our society? High school drop outs..."
Next, Erik Erickson said that encouraging female breadwinners is like denying climate change: "I am so used to liberals telling conservatives that they are anti-science. But I mean this is -- liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and female in society; in other animals the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or is not competing; it's a complementary role. We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships."
Doug Schoen concluded: "We're losing a generation. Bottom line, it could undermine our social order."
Maybe every socioeconomic group will end up with the family structure of the lowest one here in the West.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Derspiess's traditional gender-role buddies at FOX say this is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh.
QuoteWeighing on the Pew Research Poll last night, Juan Williams said the rise of female breadwinners means there's "something going terribly wrong in American society and it's hurting our children."
"Those are the children who survive," Dobbs replied. "54 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. What has been the impact? What does it say about our society? High school drop outs..."
Next, Erik Erickson said that encouraging female breadwinners is like denying climate change: "I am so used to liberals telling conservatives that they are anti-science. But I mean this is -- liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and female in society; in other animals the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or is not competing; it's a complementary role. We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships."
Doug Schoen concluded: "We're losing a generation. Bottom line, it could undermine our social order."
It's in the YouTube video I linked to.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Derspiess's traditional gender-role buddies at FOX say this is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh
Everyone will be a Dazzling Urbanite. Just give it 20 more years. ;)
Quote from: Syt on May 31, 2013, 08:13:21 AM
It's in the YouTube video I linked to.
I don't click on your YouTube links, I don't trust your German sensibilities when it comes to video.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Derspiess's traditional gender-role buddies at FOX say this is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh.
DOOOOOOOOMED
I thought they would be pretty encouraged by the fact that over 30% of two family households still have stay at home Moms. In this day and age that is amazing that so many families can still do it with a single working parent.
I am not sure what Dobbs was getting at with the High School drop out thing either. The stats suggest an overwhelming majority have at least attended College.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 08:16:23 AM
In this day and age that is amazing that so many families can still do it with a single working parent.
It's only because Wall Street hasn't completely finished what it's started, but don't worry--they'll get the rest soon enough.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Derspiess's traditional gender-role buddies at FOX say this is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh.
QuoteWeighing on the Pew Research Poll last night, Juan Williams said the rise of female breadwinners means there's "something going terribly wrong in American society and it's hurting our children."
"Those are the children who survive," Dobbs replied. "54 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. What has been the impact? What does it say about our society? High school drop outs..."
Next, Erik Erickson said that encouraging female breadwinners is like denying climate change: "I am so used to liberals telling conservatives that they are anti-science. But I mean this is -- liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and female in society; in other animals the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or is not competing; it's a complementary role. We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships."
Doug Schoen concluded: "We're losing a generation. Bottom line, it could undermine our social order."
What is it with you not including links lately?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 31, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
What is it with you not including links lately?
Nobody likes links. You have to get in somebody's :face: these days. Just be glad I'm not using 48 point font to get my message across.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on May 31, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
What is it with you not including links lately?
Nobody likes links. You have to get in somebody's :face: these days. Just be glad I'm not using 48 point font to get my message across.
You're already halfway there, bolding practically the entire article.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 09:05:44 AM
Nobody likes links. You have to get in somebody's :face: these days. Just be glad I'm not using 48 point font to get my message across.
I like links. Give me links.
Also 48 point font
would be pretty fun.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 31, 2013, 08:10:37 AM
Derspiess's traditional gender-role buddies at FOX say this is a sign that the apocalypse is nigh.
QuoteWeighing on the Pew Research Poll last night, Juan Williams said the rise of female breadwinners means there's "something going terribly wrong in American society and it's hurting our children."
"Those are the children who survive," Dobbs replied. "54 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. What has been the impact? What does it say about our society? High school drop outs..."
Next, Erik Erickson said that encouraging female breadwinners is like denying climate change: "I am so used to liberals telling conservatives that they are anti-science. But I mean this is -- liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti-science. When you look at biology, look at the natural world, the roles of a male and female in society; in other animals the male typically is the dominant role, the female is not antithesis or is not competing; it's a complementary role. We as people in a smart society have lost the ability to have complementary relationships."
Doug Schoen concluded: "We're losing a generation. Bottom line, it could undermine our social order."
You know, I've intentionally avoided that video because I knew it would infuriate me. I really didn't need a blow-by-blow in bold. :glare:
Women. :rolleyes:
*Now* I'm amused :)
Quote from: merithyn on May 31, 2013, 11:39:25 AM
You know, I've intentionally avoided that video because I knew it would infuriate me. I really didn't need a blow-by-blow in bold. :glare:
Isn't the answer to just treat Fox News as a poor imitation of the Colbert Report
Quote from: merithyn on May 31, 2013, 11:39:25 AM
You know, I've intentionally avoided that video because I knew it would infuriate me. I really didn't need a blow-by-blow in bold. :glare:
YOUR KIDS ARE A LOST GENERATION!!!11
Fox News tell the truths Meri doesn't want to hear.
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
*Now* I'm amused :)
It amuses you that gender roles are changing in the home? Yeah, me, too. :)
Interestingly, a number of my male friends have decided to stay at home in the last year or two with the kids. All of them have very young children (infant to pre-preschool), and the cost-benefit to them working or staying home made the decision easy for them. Their wives make considerably more than they do, so the choice was a given on who would stay home.
What's fun is listening to these guys talk about their days. They have very different experiences than I did as a stay-at-home parent, and I think that's pretty cool. They've made the job something that they're content and happy doing in a way that works for them and their kids. None of them feel as though their masculinity has been threatened in any way, and they never get grief from anyone about it.
I love that people feel more comfortable making the right choices for their families despite societal pressure to conform to traditional gender roles. I'd like to think that the pressure is lessening, making it easier to do so.
Quote from: merithyn on May 31, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
None of them feel as though their masculinity has been threatened in any way
Probably because they are not morons. Adults do not worry about that crap, they do what needs doing.
We all do what we must do for the family *said in Godfather voice*
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being married to a woman who makes more than you. In fact being a trophy husband is where its at. Men who think otherwise merely lack the ability to become one.
Quote from: merithyn on May 31, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
It amuses you that gender roles are changing in the home? Yeah, me, too. :)
:rolleyes: Your reaction amuses me, hon. Don't be a Raz.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 11:58:42 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 31, 2013, 11:56:46 AM
None of them feel as though their masculinity has been threatened in any way
Probably because they are not morons. Adults do not worry about that crap, they do what needs doing.
We all do what we must do for the family *said in Godfather voice*
:yes:
I wish we had more adults in the world. :(
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
Probably not. That would make the story less sensational.
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 12:08:00 PM
Probably not. That would make the story less sensational.
Is the story really that sensational? :unsure:
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
I guess that depends on how they got their data and how their income is counted.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
I guess that depends on how they got their data and how their income is counted.
True. It could probably up it a good chunk if a "woman" had kids from different daddy's.
I guess better education of women also plays a role:
QuoteMarried mothers are increasingly better educated than their husbands. Even though a majority of spouses have a similar educational background, the share of couples in which the mother has attained a higher education than her spouse has gone up from 7% in 1960 to 23% in 2011. In two-parent families today, 61% have a mother whose education level is similar to her husband's, 23% have a mother who is better educated than her husband, and 16% have a father who is better educated than his wife.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 12:09:31 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 12:08:00 PM
Probably not. That would make the story less sensational.
Is the story really that sensational? :unsure:
The "income gap" part is. It always is.
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
The "income gap" part is. It always is.
Ah well. It is getting smaller as the older generations retire. IMAGINE THAT.
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 12:18:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
The "income gap" part is. It always is.
Ah well. It is getting smaller as the older generations retire. IMAGINE THAT.
And depending on how you look at it, it may not exist at all.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:12:17 PM
True. It could probably up it a good chunk if a "woman" had kids from different daddy's.
It could...presuming those daddy's actually have jobs.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
They probably aren't even including the money gained from whoring these "women" get either. :mad:
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
Why did you put women in quotes? Are you arguing that they're really men in women's clothing? :unsure:
Quote from: merithyn on May 31, 2013, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 31, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
Are they factoring in the child support these "women" are getting from the baby daddies into their income?
Why did you put women in quotes? Are you arguing that they're really men in women's clothing? :unsure:
I presume he was making a statement about teenage moms.
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 12:18:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
The "income gap" part is. It always is.
Ah well. It is getting smaller as the older generations retire. IMAGINE THAT.
And depending on how you look at it, it may not exist at all.
I'm fairly sure that it exists in different industries, but in the Big Picture it's probably mostly gone.
Not sure what that has to do with this particular article though, except that it seems like whatever gap there may be is rapidly closing as women make up a substantial chunk of the family wage earners now. In essense, the gap is diminishing as women earn more, which makes women more likely to make more than their spouses.
It's just full of win for everyone, isn't it? :D
I dunno, it might lead to women wanting to drive.
Percentage of the population that is married is at an all-time low. Soooo yeah. Add to that women making more scratch and this seems like a natural thing to expect.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 31, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
Percentage of the population that is married is at an all-time low. Soooo yeah. Add to that women making more scratch and this seems like a natural thing to expect.
We need to re-introduce the Lex Julia.
The increase in mothers who outearn their husbands is a non-issue as a social concern - as the report notes, that's a segement of the population that tends on average to be quite well off. Those kids are, again on average, going to do okay. It's not even seen as a social issue by the average idiot - again, according to the report.
The big social problem is the increase in mothers who were never married. Those kids are, on average, more likely to grow up poor.
Quote from: Malthus on May 31, 2013, 12:41:25 PM
The big social problem is the increase in mothers who were never married. Those kids are, on average, more likely to grow up poor.
Well there is also a rise in single dads...with alot of the same issues only slightly less bad.
Quote from: Maximus on May 31, 2013, 12:35:43 PM
I dunno, it might lead to women wanting to drive.
Letting them drive would be almost as bad as letting them vote.
Quote from: Malthus on May 31, 2013, 12:41:25 PM
The big social problem is the increase in mothers who were never married. Those kids are, on average, more likely to grow up poor.
Easily fixed by obligatory 5 minute marriages at 15 (10 for minorities).
Quote from: Valmy on May 31, 2013, 12:47:07 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 31, 2013, 12:41:25 PM
The big social problem is the increase in mothers who were never married. Those kids are, on average, more likely to grow up poor.
Well there is also a rise in single dads...with alot of the same issues only slightly less bad.
The report breaks it down into three groups:
(1) Mothers who earn more than their husbands;
(2) Single mothers who are divorced, seperated, widowed, etc.; and
(3) Mothers who never married in the first place.
Single dads tend to be the flipsde to grroup # (2). The number of men who,
having never married at all, are nevertheless taking care of children is, I would assume, rather small compared to the female equivalent. Generally, ships passing in the night resulting in a pregnancy = the woman gets stuck dealing with it.
Of the three groups, group #3 is on average the worst off in that they are the most likely to be poor, and that poverty is (I would assert) strongly linked to their being in that group in the first place. Group #1 is likely to be the best off.
Quote from: Malthus on May 31, 2013, 12:55:47 PM
Of the three groups, group #3 is on average the worst off in that they are the most likely to be poor, and that poverty is (I would assert) strongly linked to their being in that group in the first place. Group #1 is likely to be the best off.
Yep. Probably why the single dads are less bad off as a group is because they are less likely to fit into group #3 and tend to be a bit older.
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I love that guy. You can never figure out if he really is some right wing nutcase...or making fun of right wing nutcases.
He needs to be more slobby and unshaven.
Quote from: Valmy on June 04, 2013, 08:08:11 AM
I love that guy. You can never figure out if he really is some right wing nutcase...or making fun of right wing nutcases.
The first panel is truly stupid, but the second panel made me laugh pretty hard.
Quote from: fahdiz on June 06, 2013, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 04, 2013, 08:08:11 AM
I love that guy. You can never figure out if he really is some right wing nutcase...or making fun of right wing nutcases.
The first panel is truly stupid, but the second panel made me laugh pretty hard.
The fly. :lol: