Two stories:
QuoteTyler Deutsch, Man Who Allegedly Put Baby In Freezer, Faces Attempted Murder Charges: Police
The Huffington Post | Posted: 05/28/2013 1:00 pm EDT
A man from Washington state faces attempted murder charges after police said he allegedly put his six-week-old baby daughter in a freezer to stop her from crying.
Tyler Deutsch, 25, reportedly left his baby girl in the ice box for an hour on Saturday afternoon. The girl's 22-year-old mother called 911 when she saw Deutsch remove the baby from the freezer, ABC affiliate KOMO reported. KOMO learned Monday that the infant also had several broken bones, "indicating more may have been done to the girl than just placing her in the freezer," the news outlet reported.
For more on this story, visit KOMO.
In a news conference, Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said Deutsch admitted to putting the infant in the freezer. Although Troyer said the father later expressed remorse, the situation could easily have turned fatal.
"We don't believe it was a [case] of punishment or discipline. It was only a six-week-old kid," Troyer told Fox affiliate KCPQ.
The baby girl was admitted to an area hospital with a body temperature of 84 degrees, according to the Associated Press. The National Instituties of Health website notes that "a body temperature below 95 [degrees Fahrenheit] is a medical emergency and can lead to death if not treated promptly," and that "Babies... are especially at risk. Babies can get [hypothermia] from sleeping in a cold room."
The infant girl is expected to recover. Her father is scheduled to appear in court May 28. According to KCPQ, Deutsch has no criminal record.
In May 2012, a New Jersey babysitter and her male companion were investigated after a toddler in their care became locked inside a washing machine at a laundromat. Closed-circuit television footage of the incident went viral after being posted to YouTube. In that incident, an attendant came to the child's rescue, and unplugged the machine.
According to ABC News, the 1-year-old boy sustained only minor bruises, despite being trapped in the running machine for a minute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/28/tyler-deutsch-man-baby-freezer-attempted-murder_n_3346508.html?view=print&comm_ref=false
QuoteSix teens drown trying to save each other from Red River sinkhole
SHREVEPORT, La. — Six teenagers from at least two families drowned in the Red River in northwest Louisiana after they stepped off a ledge from shallow water into a 18-foot sinkhole Monday, fire officials said.
Shreveport Fire Chief Brian Crawford told the Shreveport Times that the victims, aged 13 to 18, had drowned while trying to save each other. Only one, a 14-year-old, was rescued.
Emergency crews on both sides of the river responded to reports of a single person drowning before 6:30 p.m., just south of the area in Charles and Marie Hamel Memorial Park. It took fire officials about 10 minutes to locate the sinkhole, and that's when they learned there were multiple victims.
Dive teams from Shreveport and Bossier fire departments, as well as members of the Caddo Parish sheriff's office, searched the water about an hour before recovering the first body. By 10:30 p.m., all the bodies were recovered.
None could swim
Marilyn Robinson, a friend of the families, watched helplessly as the children, five boys and a girl, went under, the Times reported.
"None of us could swim," the 38-year-old told the newspaper. "They were yelling 'help me, help me. Somebody please help me.' It was nothing I could do but watch them drown one by one."
With tears rolling down her face, Louise Edwards, another witness, added: "It was hard watching them and not being able to help. Some people tried to jump in, but they were already gone. It's like a nightmare. Lord please help us, please."
Robinson said a group of family and friends, including about 20 children, had been out at a sandbar to barbecue and enjoy the water. She said they were familiar with the area, the Times reported.
Crawford was clearly affected by the tragedy as he announced the deaths.
"Unfortunately, I'm afraid, and it's with a heavy heart, to report that we have pulled so far (six) bodies from the river," he said, according to the Times. "I can honestly say that in my 26 years of service I've never seen anything of this magnitude. And I hope I never see it again.
"It's truly catastrophic and I can only imagine the effect it has on the families," he added.
Unfamiliar area
The teens had started playing in the area that they knew.
"One child ventured off into an area that he was unfamiliar with, and some of the other children had gone off with him," Crawford told the Times. "They went into the vicinity of an 18-foot sinkhole."
"And once one started toppling into that sinkhole grabbing a hold of another, trying to save another, eventually seven were pulled into the hole," he added.
Assistant fire chief Fred Sanders said it was believed the dead included three brothers from one family and a sister and two brothers from another.
The families were in recreational area of the Red River, Sanders said. The park is a popular picnic and fishing area and some people go wading.
"It's devastating," Sanders said. "To my knowledge the city has never experienced an incident of this magnitude. Unfortunately, neither the children nor the adults could swim."
The Times reported that only one life jacket was available.
Shreveport Mayor Cedric Glover, members of the City Council and Caddo Schools Superintendent Dr. Gerald Dawkins arrived at the scene with rescue crews.
Area ministers and city officials helped console grief-stricken relatives and friends as they gathered at the park and waited to receive updates from authorities.
The area where the teens drowned is not a public beach, and trenches had actually been dug to make it more difficult for people to enter the water, Glover said.
"The river's condition today, it has a little bit of current," said Donna Jackson with Caddo sheriff's marine unit Monday.
"It's like any other waterway or lake. If you don't know what's out there, the dangers like the drop off the jetty, this sort of thing can happen," she added. "We've been very fortunate in the last few years; everything has gone well. Unfortunately, this happened today."
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38533071/ns/us_news-life/t/six-teens-drown-trying-save-each-other-red-river-sinkhole/#.Uabs-JWE6pt
So the question is, why is the guy in the first story charged with attempted murder and the adults in the second story are not even charged with reckless endangerment? Is it because a white baby girl is worth much more than six black teens? :hmm:
no, because everybody know blacks and arabs don't swim. Well, not you, but everybody else.
however, if you want a serious response to this....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
:huh:
:uffda:
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
:huh:
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
Is that a hypothetical question or are you asking for legal advice?
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
These were legal guardians of these kids. They couldnt swim and took non-swimming kids to play in a river. I don't know about your swamp, but here this constitutes reckless endangerment.
:outback:
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2013, 02:46:42 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
These were legal guardians of these kids. They couldnt swim and took non-swimming kids to play in a river. I don't know about your swamp, but here this constitutes reckless endangerment.
it's a lake. And yeah, you are right then :P
13 year olds are old enough to know not to jump in the water if they can't swim. Terrible analogy as always.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 30, 2013, 03:56:54 AM
13 year olds are old enough to know not to jump in the water if they can't swim. Terrible analogy as always.
not sure about your country, but here, legally speaking, Marty would be right. It's still insanely stupid from the kids, of course.
Has anyone actually seen this law degree that he proclaims to have?
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
In that case I blame the vile and evil communist government which arranged your primary education for not "learning" you how to swim. ffs, Hungarians are good at swimming, Australia level of being good at swimming.
I am torn at deciding who is stupidest in this very close contest.
I am going to go with stupid Polish person, by a slim margin.
Man I am so glad that little baby somehow survived being put in a freezer for an hour. That father should be locked up for awhile for that.
That other story is just bizarre. There were dozens of people there and nobody knew how to swim and they all went to a river for recreation? At least one kid was able to be saved, they didn't go into detail how that happened though.
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It's times like this I'm glad that Martinus isn't actually a lawyer. Who knows what kind of damage he could cause if his idiocy were empowered by membership in that sick cult.
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2013, 02:46:42 AM
These were legal guardians of these kids. They couldnt swim and took non-swimming kids to play in a river. I don't know about your swamp, but here this constitutes reckless endangerment.
We know have some greater insight into why you are.... well you. It turns out that the law in Poland (here I am making the very generous assumption that you are in fact legally trained
and your comments reflect some understanding of the law in Poland) requires guardians to not expose children to any risk. As a result you have been locked in a padded room sealed within a plastic bubble for most of your life.
It does explain much.
You none swimmers need to learn to swim.
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
Budapest has some great bathhouses!
Quote from: Valmy on May 30, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
That other story is just bizarre. There were dozens of people there and nobody knew how to swim and they all went to a river for recreation?
Read the story again. They went to a sandbar they know well for a barbaque. People do that all the time - on beaches, rivers, lakes etc. You dont need to know how to swim to do that. Some of the kids wondered off and tragically fell into a sink hole none of them knew about.
Only a person trained in Polish law* would equate that to intentionally putting a baby in a freezer.
*or so it is claimed.
There was someone I work with who can't swim who came to the beach with us. Also, we tried to see if he could try and float and he failed miserably.
Tamas is too cool to swim or dance.
Quote from: garbon on May 30, 2013, 11:56:37 AM
There was someone I work with who can't swim who came to the beach with us. Also, we tried to see if he could try and float and he failed miserably.
So not a witch?
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 30, 2013, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 30, 2013, 11:56:37 AM
There was someone I work with who can't swim who came to the beach with us. Also, we tried to see if he could try and float and he failed miserably.
So not a witch?
Works with garbon. I'm betting on "witch". :P
Quote from: PRC on May 30, 2013, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 30, 2013, 02:29:02 AM
I can't swim either. Should I go to jail if I see somebody drowning and I don't go drown with him/her?
Budapest has some great bathhouses!
Indeed it does :cool:
Quote from: Neil on May 30, 2013, 08:08:28 AM
It's times like this I'm glad that Martinus isn't actually a lawyer. Who knows what kind of damage he could cause if his idiocy were empowered by membership in that sick cult.
I thought about telling the guy from Mediacom "After consulting a lawyer, I was advised to light your building on fire". I decided this was not the most productive avenue of discussion.
By the way, was I the only one confused by the Icelander's link and it's relationship to putting children in freezers and watching people drown?
Quote from: Martinus on May 30, 2013, 02:46:42 AM
These were legal guardians of these kids. They couldnt swim and took non-swimming kids to play in a river. I don't know about your swamp, but here this constitutes reckless endangerment.
Reckless endangerment is one thing, attempted murder, even if not voluntary is another.
There is a difference between allowing teenage kids to play near a river and putting a baby in a freezer.
I guess I'm waisting my time, because if you're not trolling us, then I don't think there's any way I can explain it to you on a level that would allow you to understand.
I'm not sure there is a law for attempted involuntary manslaughter. I mean besides reckless endangerment.