... an academic paper on the subject:
Quote from: abstractIn this paper we examine Republican Party factional differences between Tea Party Republicans and non-Tea Party Republicans. We find, first, that at the mass level Tea Party supporters constitute a majority of Republican identifiers--particularly among those most active in Republican campaigns. We examine the large and significant differences between the two factions. We then turn to an examination of Tea Party (potential) activists, relying on a survey of almost 12,000 supporters of the largest Tea Party membership group: FreedomWorks. Although very similar to the mass sample of Tea Party Republicans on issue positions, this group is far more negative towards the Republican Party. We examine the sources of this negativity in ideology, issue priorities, partisanship and political style.
Quote from: ConclusionUtilizing both a national sample, over-representing Tea Party supporters, and a large sample of potential Tea Party activists, we have assessed the seriousness of divisions within the Republican Party, and attitudes of potential Tea Party activists towards the Republican Party and the Tea Party. Our findings suggest that the current attempt of the Republican Party to moderate, and even, in some cases, shed Tea party supporters is problematic.
We find that issues, ideology, issue priorities, and political style considerations differentiate Tea Party Republicans from non-Tea Party Republicans. The Tea Party supporters are not just a faction within the Republican Party: they are a majority faction within the party, particularly among active Republicans. The divide between the two groups of Republicans is so wide that on four of eleven issues, the non-Tea Party Republicans were actually closer to the mean of the Democratic identifiers in the sample than they were to the Tea Party Republicans. Bridging this gap will present a challenge for the party, particularly for leaders more in sympathy with the non-Tea Party group and those most committed to expanding the base of the Republican Party.
The activist FreedomWorks sample shows a general lack of positive feeling towards the Republican Party. That more rate the Republican Party below average than above average is problematic for the party, and is reinforced by almost a quarter of the sample who choose "other" as their party and are particularly negative towards the Republican Party. This negativity is dwarfed by their antipathy towards the Democrats. But, in primary campaigns between establishment and Tea Party Republicans, there are no Democrats, and appeals to pragmatism appear likely to fail (particularly given the lack of willingness to compromise on issues about which they feel strongly). The success of groups like Karl Rove's committed to a more pragmatic brand of Republicanism is very much in question.
Finally, we found significant effects of partisanship, ideology, issue priorities, party style and demographics in explaining Tea Party-Republican Party preference. Once again the conservatism, issue priorities and concerns about compromise explain the Tea Party preference over the Republicans. Only partisanship gives the Republican Party leverage over the Tea Party. How this will play out in the next two years is an open question, but it is likely that the Tea Party will continue to be a major, often dominant, force within the Republican Party.
40+ page document here: http://wmpeople.wm.edu/asset/index/rbrapo/republicanfactionalismandteapartyactivists
Languish thoughts?
TLDR
it's 40 pages ffs.
Trying to understand nutters, an exercise in futility ? :cool:
Quote...it is likely that the Tea Party will continue to be a major, often dominant, force within the Republican Party.
And thus it is likely that there will be no Republican President for years to come?
OvB Republican:
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Respectable but Wrong Flavors of Republican:
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Bad Republican:
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Tea Party:
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I don't understand. Didn't the Tea Party get smacked down in the last election? If they are the dominant type of Republican, why didn't more Tea Party candidates get elected / stick around? Or is the notion that Dems outnumber the Tea Party repubs in key places so it doesn't matter?
fahdiz Republican:
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Highly Respectable and Not Too Far Off Flavor of Republican:
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Not Really Interested In Most of the Other Flavors.
Please, Teddy is above all partisan comparison as the First God-King in the American Pantheon. Barry Goldwater is a loser, he doesn't even get to lick Nixon's left nut.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on April 30, 2013, 06:19:04 PM
Tea Party:
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As far as Republicans go, those two don't have all that much in common.
Sheilbh Republican:
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A few others will do :)
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio are better Tea Party examples.
And I'm a Reagan Republican.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 30, 2013, 07:18:43 PM
fahdiz Republican:
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Highly Respectable and Not Too Far Off Flavor of Republican:
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Not Really Interested In Most of the Other Flavors.
:blink:
No love for Ike ?
Proper Republican:
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Bush 41 was pretty good too.
Somebody tell Hansy I want my old party back.
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
I don't understand. Didn't the Tea Party get smacked down in the last election? If they are the dominant type of Republican, why didn't more Tea Party candidates get elected / stick around? Or is the notion that Dems outnumber the Tea Party repubs in key places so it doesn't matter?
My impression is that the authors of the study overegged the pudding of Tea Party dominance.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Somebody tell Hansy I want my old party back.
COME AND TAKE IT
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
I don't understand. Didn't the Tea Party get smacked down in the last election? If they are the dominant type of Republican, why didn't more Tea Party candidates get elected / stick around? Or is the notion that Dems outnumber the Tea Party repubs in key places so it doesn't matter?
They got smacked down by Democrats and everyone else. My impression was that they won a significant number of primaries at the general they won some and lost others, and that they won a large number of safe-ish House seats. When they were against fellow Republicans, or being voted on by them, they did well. Not so much when they faced the general electorate and real opponents.
Only if it is from Derspicy cold, dead hands. :ph34r:
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 07:51:11 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Somebody tell Hansy I want my old party back.
COME AND TAKE IT
Now see, that's not the way to go. That's not right, man.
Hey they let me in.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 30, 2013, 06:09:50 PM
Quote...it is likely that the Tea Party will continue to be a major, often dominant, force within the Republican Party.
And thus it is likely that there will be no Republican President for years to come?
No. The Tea Party was a populist backlash. They were only vaguely and weakly "for" things, but they were specifically and strongly "against" things. I imagine one of their major beefs with the GOP was that it wasn't doing enough to stop Obama. Rest assured they will be voting for a Republican Presidential canidate next time around, if only to vote against a Democrat.
I also welcome GOProud.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Somebody tell Hansy I want my old party back.
The problem is that the electorate is too stupid, and the Republicans are too sophisticated. The Tea Party offers Republican voters simple, hateful solutions that they can understand.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 08:01:54 PM
The problem is that the electorate is too stupid, and the Republicans are too sophisticated. The Tea Party offers Republican voters simple, hateful solutions that they can understand.
Well, until they figure it out, I'm playing against them.
See, that's what these monkeys around here misunderstand about me: it's not that I'm pro-Democrat, I'm staunchly anti-Republican. The fact that my anti-Republicanism seems to align with the modern Democrats is a coincidence.
But until I get back the party I was the fucking elected Vice Chairman of in my campus College Republicans (1989-1990) from the fetus fuckers, Libertariantards and the fruitcake Hansylogues, I will continue to work against it and root for all the black people, unions, women, Jews and gays that annoy the shit out of them until they finally come around, Gerald Fucking Ford style.
Ah that's cool. You stand for nothing but trying to make sure one side doesn't win.
I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.
Well can you blame them, just look at you!
Just the kind of motivation you'd expect to hear from a petulant child. That's all.
It keeps me warm at night.
I was going to post hitler as my favorite kind of republican.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2013, 08:25:50 PM
I didn't leave the Republican Party, it left me.
It didn't really, you just didn't know any better.
Chicken.
Quote from: garbon on April 30, 2013, 07:54:57 PM
Hey they let me in.
Of course they are unable to exlude people :P
Exlude. Sounds kinky. :perv:
Quote from: mongers on April 30, 2013, 07:44:51 PM
:blink:
No love for Ike ?
Good point. Ike was completely rad.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Somebody tell Hansy I want my old party back.
That party is long gone.
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Quote from: Viking on May 01, 2013, 02:13:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on April 30, 2013, 11:06:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
Proper Republican:
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Concur.
Flash Gordon is a Republican?
He'll save every one of us.
That makes him sound like a Democrat. A true Republican would insist we save ourselves each and every one of us.
Seedy is fooling himself.
Fact is that it's been downhill for the GOP since Grant's second term.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 01, 2013, 10:02:10 AM
Seedy is fooling himself.
Fact is that it's been downhill for the GOP since Grant's second term.
Nothing wrong with a little bloody shirt waiving.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 01, 2013, 10:02:10 AM
Seedy is fooling himself.
Fact is that it's been downhill for the GOP since Grant's second term.
As long as you don't hold Grant wholly accountable for that, I could agree.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2013, 11:20:56 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on May 01, 2013, 10:02:10 AM
Seedy is fooling himself.
Fact is that it's been downhill for the GOP since Grant's second term.
As long as you don't hold Grant wholly accountable for that, I could agree.
Nah it was the Democrats beating the drum of miscegenation fearmongering. The Republicans really had no defense for that, pretty much derailed them.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 30, 2013, 08:30:40 PM
I was going to post hitler as my favorite kind of republican.
He was NSDAP.
I think the Tea Party movement is going to remain as a caucus within the GOP-- sort of a mirror image of the Democrats' Congressional Progressive Caucus, except with a lot more media coverage for the time being.
Previously I thought it would either take over the GOP entirely or fizzle out and die, but now I think neither will happen.
It will probably be more influential/successful in the 2014 elections than it was in 2012, but may never match the impact it had in 2010.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2013, 09:22:57 AM
I think the Tea Party movement is going to remain as a caucus within the GOP-- sort of a mirror image of the Democrats' Congressional Progressive Caucus, except with a lot more media coverage for the time being.
Previously I thought it would either take over the GOP entirely or fizzle out and die, but now I think neither will happen.
It will probably be more influential/successful in the 2014 elections than it was in 2012, but may never match the impact it had in 2010.
Yeah, I think the Tea Party looks like it will remain a part of the Republican party same as the Repubs and Dems already have various groupings within their parties. I'd predict that the Tea Party will change and conform, shedding at least some of what doesn't work with voters.
I think if it reformed enough to "work with voters" it won't look much like the Tea Party in any meaningful way.
I think that is the basic problem with the Tea Party - the Norquistians are all insane, and they've taken it over. It is their insanity that makes it interesting to that critical mass, but it is that same embrace of stupid that makes it repellent to everyone else.
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
I think if it reformed enough to "work with voters" it won't look much like the Tea Party in any meaningful way.
I think that is the basic problem with the Tea Party - the Norquistians are all insane, and they've taken it over. It is their insanity that makes it interesting to that critical mass, but it is that same embrace of stupid that makes it repellent to everyone else.
I think Norquist's influence peaked in 2010-11. He doesn't seem as influential now.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2013, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
I think if it reformed enough to "work with voters" it won't look much like the Tea Party in any meaningful way.
I think that is the basic problem with the Tea Party - the Norquistians are all insane, and they've taken it over. It is their insanity that makes it interesting to that critical mass, but it is that same embrace of stupid that makes it repellent to everyone else.
I think Norquist's influence peaked in 2010-11. He doesn't seem as influential now.
No, they've moved on a bit to jizz on Paul Ryan's mathematically broken austerity budget instead.
Obama should embrace austerity, because then the Republicans will be forced to change their position to something sensible. :hmm:
He has. Here's this from yesterday's FOMC statement.
Quote from: FOMC
Release Date: May 1, 2013
For immediate release
Information received since the Federal Open Market Committee met in March suggests that economic activity has been expanding at a moderate pace. Labor market conditions have shown some improvement in recent months, on balance, but the unemployment rate remains elevated. Household spending and business fixed investment advanced, and the housing sector has strengthened further, but fiscal policy is restraining economic growth. Inflation has been running somewhat below the Committee's longer-run objective, apart from temporary variations that largely reflect fluctuations in energy prices. Longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable.
Those six words cost us about 80 points on the dow yesterday.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2013, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
I think if it reformed enough to "work with voters" it won't look much like the Tea Party in any meaningful way.
I think that is the basic problem with the Tea Party - the Norquistians are all insane, and they've taken it over. It is their insanity that makes it interesting to that critical mass, but it is that same embrace of stupid that makes it repellent to everyone else.
I think Norquist's influence peaked in 2010-11. He doesn't seem as influential now.
Does that mean they will be raising taxes now?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2013, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2013, 10:31:19 AM
Quote from: Berkut on May 02, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
I think if it reformed enough to "work with voters" it won't look much like the Tea Party in any meaningful way.
I think that is the basic problem with the Tea Party - the Norquistians are all insane, and they've taken it over. It is their insanity that makes it interesting to that critical mass, but it is that same embrace of stupid that makes it repellent to everyone else.
I think Norquist's influence peaked in 2010-11. He doesn't seem as influential now.
Does that mean they will be raising taxes now?
Not necessarily. But many who signed the 2010 no tax increase pledge backed off last year.
But they won't be raising taxes. So I'd say his influence is still pretty strong.
Even if they didn't, the taxes still got raised. They didn't have the ability to stop it.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2013, 11:49:32 AM
But they won't be raising taxes. So I'd say his influence is still pretty strong.
It's not as if he's the only anti-tax Republican out there.
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2013, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2013, 11:49:32 AM
But they won't be raising taxes. So I'd say his influence is still pretty strong.
It's not as if he's the only anti-tax Republican out there.
Ah, so they'll do what he says, but not only because he says it. There are other demagogues who hold them hostage that should be taken into account.
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2013, 02:15:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 02, 2013, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 02, 2013, 11:49:32 AM
But they won't be raising taxes. So I'd say his influence is still pretty strong.
It's not as if he's the only anti-tax Republican out there.
Ah, so they'll do what he says, but not only because he says it. There are other demagogues who hold them hostage that should be taken into account.
Or maybe the party just has a tradition of advocating lower taxes.
That's not the issue. The issue is the refusal to raise taxes under any circumstance.
That's the same thing Raz. Somebody who thinks taxes are already too high is not going to be for raising them further.
Every politician should vote for stuff he's against once in a while. You know, so he can say he's bipartisan.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 02, 2013, 05:29:30 PM
Every politician should vote for stuff he's against once in a while. You know, so he can say he's bipartisan.
Bipartisan is a myth. Once you sleep with the other side you are full on gay.