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Title: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 22, 2009, 04:00:10 PM
Here's hoping  :cool:

http://seedmagazine.com/content/print/the_long_shot/

A clip from a long article
Quote"I was sitting at my kitchen table when I began thinking about the possibility of detecting any habitable planets around Alpha Centauri, doing some back-of-the-envelope calculations. B in particular looked promising, because it has lower mass and it's a very calm, quiet star," Laughlin said. "I couldn't shoot it down—finding planets [in Alpha Centauri] with a low-budget project seemed alarmingly feasible."

Alpha Centauri's brightness and visibility in southern skies for 10 months each year means an observation program can proceed relatively quickly with few disruptions. Further, the two stars offer a natural calibration: An identical signal in both of them would likely indicate a flaw in the observational equipment.

Discoveries of massive, close-in planets with the RV technique come quickly—just a handful of strong periodic signals are needed. So most RV surveys, hoping to rapidly harvest the low-hanging planetary fruit, have spread themselves thinly over a large number of stars. Laughlin realized that by focusing observations on a single promising star, the signatures of smaller planets should gradually emerge. "Your signal, the mass of a planet in a given orbit, scales with the square root of the number of observations," he said. "With four times as many observations, in theory you can detect planets that are half as massive. If you're willing to average over not hundreds, but hundreds of thousands of measurements, you can probably detect planets with masses equal to or less than that of Mars"—that is, a tenth the mass of Earth.

The more Laughlin thought about it, the more foreordained Alpha Centauri appeared for such an extreme search strategy. It began to seem somehow destined. On human timescales, the stars appear fixed in the sky, but as our Sun moves through its 250-million-year orbit around the galactic center, it brings us to new neighbors. Every few hundred thousand years, the list of our nearest neighboring stars must be made anew.

"If we were plopped down at some random point in the galaxy, there's only a 1 percent chance we'd find ourselves near stars so optimal for detecting small rocky planets like our own," Laughlin said. "The hand of fate has dealt us a very interesting situation that has not existed for at least 99.9 percent of Earth's history. It's remarkable that Alpha Centauri is right next door just as humans emerge and develop the ability to make these measurements. I'm enamored with that coincidence."
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Siege on May 22, 2009, 05:08:27 PM
Did he find anything?

Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Neil on May 22, 2009, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 22, 2009, 05:08:27 PM
Did he find anything?
I thought that the planet-finder was still getting tuned up.  And even then, they have to analyze the data.

Still, finding a planet would disprove the existance of gods, so I'm all for it.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Razgovory on May 22, 2009, 05:41:45 PM
I wonder what sorta rifle you need to hunt a planet.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Lettow77 on May 22, 2009, 07:12:10 PM
Quote
Still, finding a planet would disprove the existance of gods, so I'm all for it.

Im not sure thats exactly true.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Fireblade on May 22, 2009, 07:15:41 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 22, 2009, 05:14:42 PM
Quote from: Siege on May 22, 2009, 05:08:27 PM
Did he find anything?
I thought that the planet-finder was still getting tuned up.  And even then, they have to analyze the data.

Still, finding a planet would disprove the existance of gods, so I'm all for it.

Um, dude..

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fd%2Fd6%2FHR_8799_planetary_system_photo.jpg&hash=40dcf6e44ec4772d25b39fd40f3d192ea1a43866)
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 22, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
If we find one, will we name it: Chiron?

Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Neil on May 22, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
None of those are habitable.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Josquius on May 22, 2009, 07:53:26 PM
Would it be possible with binary stars?
I've heard that (its believed that) messes up planet formation to begin with and makes for what planets there are being very dry- the 2 suns acting as a super friendly Jupiter for each other.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 22, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 22, 2009, 07:53:26 PM
Would it be possible with binary stars?
I've heard that (its believed that) messes up planet formation to begin with and makes for what planets the are being very dry- the 2 suns acting as a super friendly Jupiter for each other.
Read the whole article, there's extensive debate on the subject.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Neil on May 22, 2009, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on May 22, 2009, 07:53:26 PM
Would it be possible with binary stars?
I've heard that (its believed that) messes up planet formation to begin with and makes for what planets the are being very dry- the 2 suns acting as a super friendly Jupiter for each other.
They have found a planet orbiting a binary.  It's a lot more complex with binaries (nevermind a trinary like Alpha Centauri), but it's certainly possible.

Habitability is another matter.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 23, 2009, 10:06:11 AM
We have to send robots. They will be our successor species.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2009, 10:23:53 AM
The Event Horizon tried to get to Alpha Centauri, and we saw how that worked out.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2009, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 22, 2009, 04:00:10 PM
Here's hoping  :cool:

Yeah, here's hoping that sometime in the future, you'd figure out how to fucking spelling correctly in your titles.  Tard.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 23, 2009, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2009, 10:23:53 AM
The Event Horizon tried to get to Alpha Centauri, and we saw how that worked out.
We just have to make sure that any interdimensional portals we make don't lead to hell.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2009, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 23, 2009, 10:27:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2009, 10:23:53 AM
The Event Horizon tried to get to Alpha Centauri, and we saw how that worked out.
We just have to make sure that any interdimensional portals we make don't lead to hell.

Actually, it looked sorta cool, in a Clive Barker kinda way.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Savonarola on May 23, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2009, 10:23:53 AM
The Event Horizon tried to get to Alpha Centauri, and we saw how that worked out.

But you get much better score if you send colonists to Alpha Centauri; so I think it's worth the risk.
Title: Re: The Hunt for Planets Orbiting Alpha Centurai
Post by: Syt on May 23, 2009, 11:00:09 AM
If this means we can shoot our supercapitalists, hypermilitarists, treehuggers, idealistic peacenicks, religious wackos, chinese dystopianists and mad scientists there in a rocket I'm all for it.